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2020-21 NBA Awards

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., May 24, 2021.

  1. WestendMassive

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    A team's wins are a good way to measure a player's impact, or value, in the regular season.

    How can a player be considered most valuable if they aren't impacting winning as much as the other MVP contenders?

    Curry had a great individual season, but GSW didn't rack up enough wins for him to be a genuine league MVP. The fact that the media voted him #2 is absurd.
     
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  2. Zboy

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    It's not Curry's fault that Warriors didnt surround him with several All-stars for him to make the playoffs.

    Curry should not have been penalized for front office short comings.

    He deserves the MVP award.
     
  3. HardenVolumeOne

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    no matter what the media says to try and spin this, this season proved steph aint built to carry a team. A lot of people already knew, but this season just confirmed it for us. Them voting him 2nd in the mvp voting is a way to try and take some of the sting out of curry missing the postseason. They have been saying for years that curry was better than harden. But Harden took worse teams than this years warriors team to the playoffs, so their is no excuse for a team paying the luxury tax with a supposed top 3 mvp vote getter to not make the playoffs especially with this inclusion of the play-in this year. It only confirmed to me that the nba media has to go out of their way to make shortcuts for curry because the up and coming nba players are not moving to his beat. No young player in the league plays like curry lol. But yet he changed the game somehow, the rockets were shooting 30 threes a night in 2012/2013, so who really ushered in the 3 point era. The utah jazz led the nba in wins using morey-ball. Luka, Trae Young, and Jayson Tatum who unlike curry made the playoffs all emulate harden
     
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  4. WestendMassive

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    Curry wasn't penalised for his front office coming up short, a player that doesn't deliver an above-average level of wins cannot by definition be considered to be MOST valuable in the league.

    And an MVP shouldn't need several All-Stars just to make the playoffs, that's ridiculous.

    How many All-Stars has Jokic got next to him? MVPs deliver above-average wins, no matter who is next to them.

    Curry had a great scoring run for a month or two, and that was great, it was fun to watch and was a nice little storyline at a point in the season where it turned into a grind. But MVP? No way.
     
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  5. HardenVolumeOne

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    and then the same nba media turns around and makes draymond green a defensive player of the year finalist. So that kinda kills their theory that steph curry had no help. He had help, more help than harden had most years as a rocket outside of 2018. He just aint good enough to do it without a stacked roster
     
  6. Zboy

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    Well considering Curry got so many votes and was in the running for MVP, you are clearly in the minority.

    Curry was probably around 3 All-star players short of getting the Warriors in the playoffs as a 8th seed AND winning the MVP.

    Not many players can make the same claim.
     
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  7. WestendMassive

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    Curry got so many votes because he's a media darling and so many other possible candidates were eliminated because of injury, not because he was deserving of the award.

    By your logic, Tracy McGrady's 2002-03 season for Orlando was more impressive than Curry's this year. Like Curry, T-Mac led the league in scoring at 32.1ppg while averaging 5.5 assists and 6.5 rebounds per game. He made the playoffs and didn't have any other All-Stars on his team. Didn't win MVP though because Tim Duncan led the Spurs to 62 wins and a #1 seed.

    I'd actually love to know why you think Curry deserved the MVP when historical precedent shows that great individual seasons without wins aren't considered to be MVP calibre, with Russ Westbrook the lone outlier.

    Curry's scoring outburst this year wasn't even as impressive as Harden's unguardable tour in 2018-19, where he averaged 36ppg, 7.5ast and 6.5reb, took his team to the playoffs and did not win MVP because guess what, someone else racked up more wins for their team so they were considered more valuable.
     
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    https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

    this is the real mvp finalist based off of historical patterns that previous winners won on. Steph curry had no business being in the final top 3
     
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    I think it was due to Curry's efficiency. Curry attempted almost 13 threes per game at 42%. Harden attempted about 13 threes per game at 37%, That's a big difference.
     
  10. Zboy

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    Yet there he was. Voted in by highly knowledgeable , and unlike fans like you and I, completely unbiased media.

    Make no mistake about it. Had Curry somehow, as a MAX franchise player, done the UNTHINKABLE by leading his team into the playoffs, even as a 8th seed, he was a lock for the MVP award by the media.

    That would have been unprecedented.

    Does that not speak to his greatness?

    The fact that he was in the running for the MVP award when no other player in his situation would have even been considered speaks to his MVPness.
     
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    This is idiocy. GSW supporting cast was trash. Look at their RAPTOR ratings. How many of them had negative offensive RAPTOR ratings?
     
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    Curry doesn't need all-star teammates to make the playoffs. He needs teammates who don't have negative impacts on the court.
     
  13. Zboy

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    He definitely needs an All-star cast to make the playoffs in a weak Western conference. No shame in that for Curry. I really cant think of many examples where Franchise players have been able take their team into the playoffs, even as a 8th seed!

    Despite that he was close to winning the MVP even as a 8th seed, which is truly remarkable.

    Speaks to his greatness.
     
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    the nba is the closest of the 4 major sports to pro wrestling. nobody takes their award winners seriously, their hall of fame lets everyone and their mothers in it. Most people like myself watch the nba for storylines and drama.. doesnt that sound like wwe. Basketball reference has no bias when it comes to awards and who they think is the better player. Thats why im always on that website to get the answers to my questions if im trying to compare player a to player b. The media lies a lot and usually select who they like more. Basketball reference doesnt care about james hardens style of basketball, therefore their selections and placement of him among the all-time greats is based strictly off the numbers
     
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    golden states supporting cast was trash according to you, but draymond green is a top 3 finalist for defensive player of the year by the same media that claims currys roster sucks lol. You cant have your cake and eat it, this warriors team had talent prior to the season according to the media, but because curry couldnt pull a lebron, or harden and carry them to the playoffs then they suck. This same roster had oubre and wiggins former 18 point per game scorers in their careers, kent bazemore( who rockets fans wanted morey to get for years) and a legit big man rookie 2nd overall pick( who is similar to clint capela), and emerging young players like poole, and eric paschall( who made all rookie team in 2019). The warriors have the talent, its either steve kerrs offense or currys inability to evelate his teammates thats the the problem. the warriors had or have one of the highest payrolls in the league
     
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    How is a max player leading a team without all star team-mates to the playoffs, or in Curry's case a .542 winning percentage, unprecedented?

    You're either taking the piss or you're delusional. Surely you don't actually believe that something that literally happens every year is unique because Curry did it.
     
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    91 vs 5 1st place votes, and you’re still complaining.

    As I had said, it wasn’t going to be close. Who cares if there are a handful of dummies choosing to vote for Curry because he led the league in scoring. Jokic was clearly the deserving winner, and the vast majority of the voters understood that.
     
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    I also do not comprehend how some Harden fans have to link everything to Curry........
     
  20. Rockets4Life13

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    Jokic deserves the MVP. Consistent, good team, crazy numbers. That’s all checks on the mvp requirement list
     

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