What the f*** is wrong with the Mets? Do they even know what they’re doing? Keep hearing ownership won’t approve any trade involving Syndergaard.
Huh? Overall he has been very good in trades. We didn’t lose the Giles trade. I will take Osuna over Giles 10/10 times. Giles is garbage under pressure. I am not sure how you reach the conclusion we are losing the JD Davis deal, the best player we got in that trade is 19 years old. We won the Cole trade. We won the Pressly trade. We won the Alvarez trade. We likely win the Diaz trade. I don’t see how we really lost the Kazmir deal. We didn’t really lose on the Phillies trade for Giles. We lost on the Gomez deal and we made a mistake dealing Laureano when we were going to release him. No one consistently fleeces everyone, but Luhnow has done well. Also total WAR isn’t always the best measure... Cole for example has been a big win for us. Unless Musgrove becomes a long term #2 starter, it really isn’t close.
When I say trading isn’t his strong suit I don’t mean that to read that he’s bad at it, I literally mean it to read that if I could only have JL do one part of the GM’s job, (I.E. manage budgets, draft, minors development, sign FA, or trade talent for talent) I would rank his trading as lowest of those GM type skill set. Not bad, just not as good as the other stuff he does. I’m completely aware that total WAR isn’t the best judge of a trade. The 4 guys we traded away for Cole could all put up 1 WAR a season for all 6 seasons of club control and they’d smoke us in total WAR for the trade- 24-10 or 12 or something like that. But if Cole wins a CY Young and pitches us to a pennant it’s clearly a great trade for us. My only point in starting this entire derail is this: saying JL has this bc of Yordan for Fields is as misplaced as saying- don’t make a trade JL- you are the same idiot that gave up Hader for Gomez Crawfish boxes on March had a retrospective on the trades of the JL era- the overall body of work graded out to like a B- I think. That seems reasonable at the time. Yordan being this good probably ups it to B+
Everyone tends to focus on Hader for Gomez and neglects the importance of Fiers during the 2017 regular season.
We won the division by a jillion games in 2017 and Fiers was garbage in April, May and September. I think he was, maybe on balance, a slight positive in 2017 for us but not something that swings the trade. Also, those were not the only guys that went in that deal as Phillips and someone else (Domingo Santana maybe) went out too? He made a bad deal on one of the Lowry trades as well. Dealt Laureano for nothing. I have no problem with JL running trades for this team. I trust him. The argument, simply, is he’s on the short end of the stick often enough to show he’s not infallible. Also, when I say he lost the Jd Davis trade what I meant was- trading Davis instead of White. It was pretty clear the spot came down to one or the other of them and they went the wrong way.
His trade for Alvarez will trump all his “bad” trades by miles not even mentioning all the other good trades he’s made. He literally traded a scrub for an elite hitter. No one claimed he was infallible. It’s impossible to be infallible. But he is a genius at all aspects of his job. It’s already been proven time and again.
I think Luhnow trade for JV trump all bad trades in the history of Astros franchise. We won our first World Series with JV. And we could win a few more with JV.
You literally said “JL is a genius, whatever he does will be great for the team, Alvarez for Fields!” Which was what I was responding too. That’s simply untrue. He doesn’t have a track record of “whatever he does will be great for the team.” He has a track record of “gets a lot more right than he gets wrong”. That’s all I was saying. This is the kind of spot where lots of GM’s make mistakes. Pressure of a WS or bust type year, so very close, can talk yourself into an overpay, looking for another starter for 2020 and you end up overpaying for a Stroman type.
