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2016 NBA Finals: Golden State vs. Cleveland

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., May 30, 2016.

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Golden State vs. Cleveland

Poll closed Jun 2, 2016.
  1. Warriors in 4

    4.1%
  2. Warriors in 5

    12.6%
  3. Warriors in 6

    30.6%
  4. Warriors in 7

    9.5%
  5. Cavs in 7

    14.0%
  6. Cavs in 6

    25.7%
  7. Cavs in 5

    0.5%
  8. Cavs in 4

    3.2%
  1. Deuce

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Agent X piece on life inside the walls of LeBron's Cavs. Dion, doomed from Day One: <a href="https://t.co/drUSJxwP12">pic.twitter.com/drUSJxwP12</a></p>&mdash; Dave Zarum (@DaveZarum) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveZarum/status/739887470737784832">June 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  3. pirc1

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    Yes, not when Green can defend the centers and power forwards, or when the game is not close. See the OKC series, it was a major factor, Kerr could not keep Bogout on the court.
     
  4. daoshi

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    He is only 6'6", but has a long wing span.
     
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    He is a Dennis Rodman with an offensive game, every other team must be kicking themselves for not taking him in first round.
     
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    Who's blaming the refs, what? I can't comment on a ****ty call when I see it?

    2 moving screens called on the Cavs when they are already down 30, but GS, well, we all know their screens are perfectly legal. In 2 straight plays essentially. I'm not even a Cavs fun, I'm a basketball fan, and missed calls and blatant hypocrisy ruin the integrity of the sport, imo. I want a fair game!
     
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    There is no perfect historical comparison for Green. He's like Scottie Pippen with less scoring but more rim protection. Or maybe like a shorter KG with less scoring.

    Of course, Green scored quite a bit in the playoff games where Curry was out with the knee injury, so perhaps Green could score more if asked to be a scorer.
     
  9. tksense

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    And wins less. That's what Green had realized @okc after being down 1-3. He needs to just focus on the dirty work, let the choir boys be the 'man'. Everyone do what they do best, recipe for success which had been established for well over a season already.
     
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    when does that actually happen. every single game has calls that are questionable throughout. and depending on your views they are either supportive or opposite of what you may think is correct. that's just the reality of it.
     
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    The reason Cleveland get called for moving screen was because the center looks too stiff doing it, you got to do it more naturally like Bogout, just like taking four or five steps for a dunk, you cannot be slowing down in the middle and then start again.
     
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    So the rule seems to say with mobile moving screens, it's cool cos guy is mobile and fluid, action is in the flow of movements.

    Immobile moving screens get called cos stiff guy ain't supposed to be move, it looks like intentional foul when they try to stick out.

    Stiff guys should practice moving their whole body instead of certain offending parts only!

    When it comes to the splash bros tho or any off-ball shooters, I just feel it's not their fault when the big guys move and impede. Most of the times they don't even need the screen to move and by the shooter's effort getting to the spot they'd have a good shot anyways. Moving screens mainly penalizes the shooter after the shooter does all that running around. Esp when the splash bro can get the shot off just fine without any moving screens.

    The screeners should be more thoughtful on that. However, the calls dictates what they can and cannot do. There's a whole industry of veteran crafty moves which is welcomes all players.

    For the most part, I don't think the league is blatantly biased to certain teams. As for the dubs, the refs may get sucked into the entertainment value of the splashes so much so that they'd feel anticlimactic if all the splashes go to waste. So as humans they want the fun to continue without too much interventions.

    I still think they should clean it up and just send the dubs a memo about bogut and green. The Warriors are fine without the moving.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kyrie Irving – FG in NBA Finals <br><br>Off Pass: 8-of-9<br><br>Not off pass: 4-of-27</p>&mdash; ESPN Stats &amp; Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/739758800912023553">June 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Rodman was getting 18 rpg when he played. DG as good as he is, is nowhere near rodman in te defense/rebounding cattegory. The comparision is really bad. I know both are good undersized defendersfor their possition, but there is where the similarities end.
     
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    There were probably only 2 frontcourt players in the 90's that Rodman could not defend excellently, Shaq and Hakeem. Make also Barkley at his prime, but that may have been it.

    However he could out rebound anyone without even trying. People don't realize how significant an impact averaging 18 rebounds a game was, not to mention in the slow down 90's era where there fewer possessions. In today's era with the small ball and increased pace, a prime Rodman would break every one Wilt's rebounding records.
     
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    Green is absolutely in Rodman's class as a defender. No one this side of Moses Malone is in Rodman's class as a rebounder.
     
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    People might say it's ridiculous, but I don't think we've ever seen a player like Draymond Green in the NBA before.
     
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    It's weird how LeBron's J regressed. He did shoot well for beyond the arc in the past. Even shot 40%+ from 3 one year in Miami, which is pretty tough considering he shot a good portion of those off the dribble.

    Now, GS virtually dares his ass to shoot.
     
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    I think that might be true. A rim-protector who can guard 1 through 5, handle and pass like a guard and shoot threes--I can't think of anyone who has that skillset except maybe Kevin Garnett. And that's stretching it a bit--KG had an ability to dribble and pass, but not to the extent of Green. KG was a better rim-protector and scorer. It's still not an ideal comparison.
     

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