Doubt the success of BOB will depend on Savage. They'll likely bring in another FA, or perhaps they'll get lucky enough to have Brees available. If they draft Wentz or Hack he'll have a few more seasons to work with them depending on how the team does. If he remains competitive like the team has been the last few seasons he will be given an opportunity to succeed with his drafted QB.
Savage is not that important to the Texans. Couldn't even compete with Mallett and Hoyer in the pre-season. Heard on the radio that if he was that important, wouldn't have put him on season ending IR. Am pretty sure he will be cut in the offseason once the Texans draft Hack.
Wentz would be great; lot of people are putting him into the first round. Don't see why wentz would be such a bad choice
Wentz is who I want, still. I think we have to take him in the first round, though. What I would love is us taking someone who will make an impact with out first pick, preferably a skill player. Not sure about Elliott, but if he's that guy, then take him. Then, trade back up for Wentz towards the back end of the first. If not Wentz, I'd be fine with Hackenberg in the second. Both these guys need a year to sit, I would think, but after that, they'll be good to go. I think O'Brien would coach up either of them into good NFL starters.
It would be a terrible idea to take any QB in the 1st. Crazy even. So the Texans will probably do it.
Think about it. The Texans will be facing Rodgers, Stafford, Carr, Rivers, Mariota, Bortles, Bridgewater, and most likely Brady and Dalton next year. That's just not fair.
LOL, why even bring up Bortles, Bridgewater, and Mariota....weren't you trying to talk about good QB's? Also, Dalton really hopes he doesn't have to face the Texans again, it hasn't worked out well for him in his career.
Well, we were supposed to face 4 of those QBs this year, plus Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Matt Ryan, and Drew Brees. So what?
Looks impressive on paper. But the combined record of these guys is barely above .500. Mariota may or may not be healthy. Rivers has very little talent around him. You really should substitute Luck in for Bridgewater on that list.
Based on what? Your pristine history of evaluating quarterbacks, coupled with your undisputed greatness of insight on this years lot?
Who cares about their record. The point is the Texans are going to be playing good QBs. Likely better QBs than they have on their roster. The Chargers will get their talents in the draft and free agency. Mariota will be healthy and they will draft and/or sign a better offensive line. Bortles just needs a defense.
My preference in QB in order. 1. Jared Goff 2. Christian Hackenberg 3. Paxton Lynch 4. Carson Wentz 5. Connor Cook . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cardale Jones
Just skip to the last few lines at the end http://lancasteronline.com/sports/f...cle_542dafc0-ac20-11e5-a316-bb269de5e0dd.html Penn State at the end of the Hackenberg Era MIKE GROSS | Sports Writer Updated 16 hrs ago Comments On the sixth play of his 37th and most recent college game, Christian Hackenberg threw an interception which, for the endless Hackenberg debate, could serve as a starter's pistol. This was the first possession of a Week 12 game at Michigan State, one of the best teams in the country. Penn State had only run a few plays, but all of them worked. The Nittany Lions were for once "on schedule” — moving the ball, moving the chains, putting a drive together. It was first-and-10 at the MSU 31 — nearly field-goal range. Pre-snap, Hackenberg looked to his right and saw wide receiver Geno Lewis with MSU corner Arjen Colquhoun in tight man coverage. And everyone who's been paying attention to this team, this offense, this quarterback, knew what the play was going to be: a "shot down the field.'' Hackenberg began his throwing motion well before he could have known if Lewis would be open. Ideally the ball should have been thrown outside Colquhoun, between Lewis and the sideline, virtually assuring that if Lewis didn't catch it, no one would. It wasn't. It was thrown to Colquhoun's side. He maintained his ground and made a fairly easy interception. And … go: Why did Hackenberg bet a promising drive on a throw that would amount to a jump ball even if made accurately? Why did he decide where the ball was going before it was even snapped? Was the throw an example of accuracy issues or just the low-percentage nature of the play? How much of all of the above is on Hackenberg, and how much on: A. the play-call and offensive approach; B. the (arguably) paint-by-numbers way Hackenberg's been coached to read the defense pre-snap; C. Hackenberg's offensive line's spectacular inability to protect him; D. the limitations of Penn State's other offensive weapons; E. The phrase "take a shot down the field'' being used as a get-out-of-blame free card; or, F. some impossible-to-quantify combination of all of the above? Extra credit: What would the reaction be if the same throw, under the same circumstances and at the same career point, was made by Anthony Morelli? Hackenberg came to Penn State as a five-star recruit who could have gone about anywhere else. He did it amid the Sandusky scandal, his commitment to then-coach Bill O'Brien coming before the NCAA sanctions but outlasting the sanctions and O'Brien, now in the NFL. He has thus become, more than anyone else, a bridge from Penn State's past, over the residue of scandal and into its future. Hackenberg has the size (6-4, 225), body type and pure arm of a classic drop-back QB. He doesn't turn 21 until February, and he has started and played almost every offensive snap of his three seasons, making him almost certainly the most experienced-for-his-age major college QB ever. He will leave Happy Valley with school records in most of the raw "counting'' stats: passes, completions, passing yards, passing touchdowns, etc. On a percentage basis, in the stats that measure efficiency, his career numbers are worse than Morelli's. Since his Big Ten Freshman of the Year season in 2013, Hackenberg's completion percentage, pass-efficiency rating and yards per attempt have been in the bottom third of FBS QBs. The offenses Hackenberg has directed have spanned the spectrum from dysfunctional to … horrifically dysfunctional. All true, free of context. But context-free truth is never Truth. The offensive system of head coach James Franklin and recently fired offensive coordinator John Donovan weren't as suited to Hackenberg as O'Brien's. The system and a persistent lack of protection not only slowed his development but, arguably, caused regression. Yet he will probably play his final college game Saturday vs. Georgia in the TaxSlayer Bowl. He will probably leave a year of college eligibility behind to turn pro, and will probably be a first- or second-round pick in the NFL Draft. Is he ready? If not, why not? Opinions, um, vary. "He had a lot of forced throws and poor decisions from a very clean pocket, one that was much cleaner than he's ever going to see on Sundays,'' ex-NFL scout and NFL.com analyst Daniel Jeremiah wrote after watching Penn State's 23-21 loss to Northwestern on Nov. 7. Hackenberg completed 21 of 40 passes that day for 205 yards, no touchdowns and one key interception. "His accuracy, touch and awareness are all question marks,'' Jeremiah wrote. "His ball placement and decision-making are not very good. "(NFL people) will tell you that touch and accuracy are two of the toughest areas to improve in. Those things are two of his biggest problems." On the other hand, Trent Dilfer, and former NFL QB and current ESPN analyst, looks at Hackenberg and sees "franchise-quarterback potential.'' Specifically, he sees Dallas Cowboys' Hall of Famer Troy Aikman. "Once he gets out of that situation, which is not a good situation, at Penn State, scouts and GMs and coaches will drool over Christian Hackenberg," Dilfer said in an interview Sept. 30. "He's very, very similar to (Aikman). They're the same type of body, thrower, personality, competitors. You go back and look at Troy Aikman coming out and look at Christian Hackenberg, they're very similar.'' One pundit calling Penn State a bad situation doesn't mean much. But when there's a second critic, one who quarterbacked the Nittany Lions to a national championship ... "He needs to be retooled, re-coached in terms of fundamentals,'' ABC/ESPN's Todd Blackledge said last week. "People talk about his accuracy — accuracy has more to do with your feet than anything else. In terms of footwork and fundamentals I'd say he's regressed. Part of that is protection breakdowns and not trusting your protection, but I don't know how well he's been coached in that part of it.'' There's a new offensive coordinator at Penn State now — former Fordham coach Joe Moorhead, who is a quarterback's guy and will change the offense drastically with or without Hackenberg. Cynics will argue Moorhead was hired, in part, to convince Hack to stay. To say Penn State has been bad for Hackenberg would be flat wrong. People around him say there has been dramatic growth, from a cocky 18-year-old to a guy widely respected on campus for the loyalty and pure toughness he's shown by picking himself up, pushing through everything and getting on with it, over and over and over. Then there's the spectre of O'Brien, coaching the Houston Texans to a probable division title in two weeks with essentially no quarterback at all. O'Brien remains part of Hackenberg's inner circle, with Hackenberg's father Erick, Dilfer, "quarterback whisperer'' George Whitfield, and a few others. This story ending in an O'Brien/Hackenberg reunion seems almost too contrived. But the notion that O'Brien sees Hackenberg as his Tom Brady isn't as simplistic as it may sound. "They're probably the one team that will be willing to move up for Hackenberg," Senior Bowl Executive Director Phil Savage said in a recent interview. "He will not get past Bill O'Brien and the Houston Texans, in my opinion."
Hackenberg would be a classic Texans pick. Get the fans in an uproar. We saw it with Mario, saw it with Duane Brown, saw it with Dunta, saw it with Kareem to an extent, saw it big time with Watt, and many others. Then, that player goes on to produce. Most of the time, it's the guy everyone wants that doesn't produce. I'd be fine with Hackenberg. I'd prefer him in the second round, and I'd prefer Wentz over him, but from what I've seen, he's my number two. He could be a very good pro. I think he's a kid that can be coached up, too. His stats at Penn State are not wholly his fault. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Bill O'Brien may not be the best talent evlauator, although I largely disagree with those who say he's horrible. His free agent additions have been pretty good. Bill O'Brien, though, has far more insight into Christian Hackenberg than any other person in the NFL. He knows a good quarterback when he sees one (here come the dimwits jumping in to say "what about Hoyer and Mallett"...*). If he's seen enough from Christian Hackenberg to make him his quarterback of the future, and potentially tie his job to him (especially if he trades up), then I'm all for it. Actually, I'd venture as far yo say that if Bill O'Brien was still at Penn State, they'd have a much better team and Hackenberg would be THE quarterback everyone would be talking about as a franchise guy in this year's draft. Basically, he'd be untouchable to us, barring a huge trade. Wentz and Hackenberg excite me. Lynch does too, but to a lesser degree. *we've beat thus topic to death. It's time to find a new one. One of those guys was a lottery ticket, for which we broke even. Another one has played the best football of his career and was essentially the best free agent for the system. Fitzpatrick played well, but got banged up last season, and thus, we decided to move on. Over. Done with. The end.
Let him sit for a year possibly two get better talent around him so when it is his time he will be in a position to succeed.
If Hackenberg =Aikman, then 2016= 3-13 That was without Emmit, so maybe we'd be better off drafting Elliot or Henry
Elliott and Hackenberg would be a great draft haul. Although I think there are some running backs that could be just as good in round two. I'd be thrilled with Hack or Wentz in the first and Devontae Booker from Utah in the second, as well. I think he'll be a player.
That's what Walterfootball shows now, Elliot @22 and Hackenberg@52 so we know that won't happen , ha.
