I don't really consider Pettite an ace. He has that one amazing year with the Astros when he posted a 2.39 ERA which is very similar to what Kazmir is doing this year. He was routinely in the high 3s to low 4s in ERA.
One more thing.... What they might get now and when they supposedly rejected BEFORE the season are two different things. Prices change for many reasons in these deals And if they would need Phillips, Appel and Fisher to start discussions, no one around here needs to worry about it cause that would never happen. My guess is that Philly has held out long and hard to get the best package they can, but now they are reaching the point of moving money the best way they can and Hamels will be moved for the best offer. That is where the depth of our system gives us an advantage on most. As i've said, I don't "think" we will be adding Hamels or Price in the next week. I just wouldn't be shocked if it happened
Dude, THE ONLY REASON Oakland did not get more is INURIES, actually, THIS YEAR he could not pitch in 2 games because of arm issues. Now, IF HEALTHY, and WHEN HEALTHY, he pitches like an ACE, especially the last 3 years. Now, when was Cueto injured? or Hamels???? I agree both are ACES, but you can't tell me that Kazmir and Hamels don't have similar numbers the past 3 years, and we can argue Kazmir has been BETTER. Difference??? Injuries concern.
And for the record, I LOVE Notthingham, i would not be surprised if he is top 5 prospect for them next year in BAseball America
Hamels, in the past 3 years in not better pitcher than Kazmir. Nor is Archer. I don't think you've realized how good kazmir was the past 3 years. Astros gave a very good hitting catcher, and is not like we have our catcher of the future in Castro, right????? to get Kazmir.
Though I can't see them, posting 4 posts in a row is absurd and clutters a thread. Learn to respond once so that it is easier to skip, please.
Pitching value goes up during the season. Philles wanted before the season what they expected they could get at deadline. Granted, I think the Phillies mistook the value of Hamels and may accept less, but I expect they will likely agree to pay a portion or bigger of Hamels's contract instead of taking less prospects. I said Phillips and one of the following...so it would be Phillips and Appel or Phillips and Fisher. Granted, I've said all along that Astros wouldn't trade two top prospects (much less any other highly statistical team) without Phillies taking a big portion of his contract.
He's not talking soap operas. It's forum etiquette and courtesy, things you violate on a near daily basis. People would seriously take more kindly to you if you didn't hound us with repetitive, borderline obnoxious posts with the incessant use of the caps lock key and repetitive letters. While you "talk baseball" in your mind, you seldom contribute to the discussions in a productive and respectful way. Get mad at me all you want but literally everyone is thinking this and more and more posters are ignoring you--your passion for the Astros is admirable and you know your stuff, just learn to tone it down. Please. And that's the only time I reach out to you as an adult.
He already slots in as their #5 prospect: http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/138220834/as-astros-trade-fills-needs-on-both-sides
I'll respectfully disagree with the fact that pitching value goes up during the season I think there are a lot of factors at play in this. Now, if Hamels was the only front of the rotation starter available right now, then I would tend to agree. The fact that there are several available though, does factor in. I would be surprised if Philly agreed to pay on the contract. In the world of 2015, that contract is not excessive. In the context of what contracts will likely look like moving forward, it's probably gonna look like a bargain. In any case, if you are right about what it would take then I agree the Astros won't trade Phillips and Appel My question for you would be this, if you think it would take two prospects of that value, what team is going to pay that price. Cause unless they want to just hang on to him, and I seriously seriously doubt that is something they consider possible....it would come down to the best offer they can get. If they CAN get an offer as good as Phillips and Appel, then more power to them. I don't see anyone who would be willing to do that though, especially with Cueto and Samarj and Price also available.
He might end up being a stud, will take a while to know. Something I do like is this though, when you see a guy like him rank 5th on his new teams list and you know that he would struggle to be top 10 in our organization. That's pretty awesome!
MR. Beard is in agreement, greaaaaat, as we all know, he does not like me much, so i am not surprised. Now, i will tell you one thing, i don't care what you guys say about my "knowledge" of baseball, and if i contribute or not, because people think or talk in different ways, and is important for people to RESPECT that. If a person wants to dish a player, and do it HIS OR HER WAY, people should be able to RESPECT THAT. What i've seen here is that people only respect people that think as they and if it not "their etiquette" then you are not with you guys????? If a person respects you, why you don't respect others, because they say that X player sucks?????? Is that mature????? Or is that childish? Why don't you let people express the way THEY WANT TO???? If you dont like it, then IGNORE THEM. Let them talk baseball the way they want to talk baseball. Agree or disagree, but let people talk the way they do without INSULTING OR BEIN DISRESPECTFUL, as we are ONLY TALKING BASEBALL.
Eventough A's have a weak farm, that is great, especially when Nottingham was not even top 30 prospect for Astros starting 2015. I still think we gave a lot of value for Kazmir, we gave 2 very good prospects. Maybe we did not have to give "elite" prospects due to past injuries concern on Kazmir.
A team like the Padres, Diamondbacks, or Rangers...except maybe a little better record...or Phillies will offer to pay a significant portion of his contract. I've long said Phillies value Hamels a lot different than the Astros and teams like them would. I've repeated said it was unlikely for the Astros to deal for Hamels. You've been basically proposing Appel plus another top prospect all year until recently...which has basically been what the Phillies want.
We don't need Hamels, we have the arms we need to compete. Yes, we need to give days off to VV and McCullers, but we have Feldman and Straily, and maybe even OBBIE. Yes, i like Strilay, last night, 8 innings, 2 hits, 7 K's. IF McHugh is able to be a very very good number 4, we are set.
Can't see San Diego in there, heck they are said to be shopping Shields and Cashner And yes I have been saying Appel and another top guy all year, I just think with so many other great options on the market right now, the price will be driven down some. He won't be "cheap", but he won't cost what he would have earlier. The only team I could see being willing to pay up more for him than the others is Texas, cause they would be looking at him long term and not for this year. For the contenders, there are several guys to choose from. And even for the Rangers, I would think they would only make a move for him now if they felt it was a good deal, couldn't see them overpaying when they could make a move in the offseason just as well. Hope they do overpay for him though and hurt their system, lol
