i think thats a ploy to raise the phillies's asking price from other contenders. morey move re: mavs and rondo
McHugh wouldn't even be in the playoff rotation. I'd have to guess that Appel would be a stone cold lock to be included in a trade for Hamels at this point. Assuming we are re-upping with Kazmir, Appel would be our #5 in his best case scenario, and he'd have to jump McHugh, Velasquez, and anybody else to even get to that point.
How would Keuchel, Price(if aquired), and Kazmir compare to Clemens, Pettite, and Oswalt? I'm not the slightest bit of a baseball expert which is why I ask those of you who are here, although I assume the latter is (much)better I wanna hear what the ones who actually know say.
Keuchel and Price are aces like Oswalt, Clemens, and Pettitte. Kazmir would be in the next tier of pitchers below aces.
Right now, with Kazmir on board, McCullers is not our number 2, he is number 3. Maybe, and only for that reason, to split the lefties, they would move McCullers in the middle. Now, this year Kazmir is better than Hamels, i think the rotation would be this one: 1. K 2. Kazmir 3.Hamels 4. McCullers 5. McHugh Right now if there was not 2 guys in LA (Dodgers) Kazmir is the best pitcher in baseball, so there is NO WAY he is 4th in the rotation.
Ok so Kazmir is better than Keuchel and they would throw the three lefties back to back to back Uh, ok man On another note, I can't figure out why I keep replying to this type of drivel
His WAR based on run prevention (not just earned run prevention which involves judging by partial score keepers) and his WAR based on FIP both have him out of the top 8-12 pitchers, whom are generally considered the aces...and who I refer to as aces.
In the playoffs, YOU GO WITH THE BEST. If your 3 best are lefties, then be it. And nooooo, look at what i wrote, K is first, KAZMIR SECOND, NOT FIRST, but for the past 3 years, Kazmir has been better than Hamels. And like i say, MAYBE to split lefties, well, then move McCullers to 3 and Hamels to 4, but KAZMIR is a stud, NUMBER 2 with no question.
Having a hard time sifting through useful posts vs finding cangrejero's. I'd be surprised if they traded for Hamels, mostly because it seems odd to have three lefties like that. But what do I know? There was an article a while back that, IIRC, had a "source" that the Astros felt Appel might do better in a different environment. I could definitely see them parting with him for the right guy.
If you saw the A's SS play and their defense in general this makes sense. Kazmir is an ace this yr. He has had little run support and has had a terrible defense supporting him. One of the things he said after last nights start was how good the Stros defense is. Compared to the A's defense the Stros have a top tier defense.
I agree on the 3 lefties, but I do think if Luhnow thinks the deal gives us "value" he would do it....don't think it's likely, but I wouldn't be shocked if I saw a Hamels or Price or Sam deal And I would include Appel in a deal, but not for a rental, would have to be a Hamels deal or a deal with someone who is agreeing to an extension (which rarely ever happens)
I think all of the "is he an Ace" talk just depends on what you consider an Ace Kazmir is definitely a front of the rotation type of starter. Kazmir is definitely a starter who you want to put out there in a playoff game. Ace? Just depends on your definition of Ace I suppose
Not according to what Oakland received....In your head, sure. To how most people in baseball refer to him, he's just a notch below below the aces. Cueto and Hamel were referred to as the best pitchers on trade block. He's still a great pitcher. Gray, Archer, Sale, Keuchel, Hamels, Cueto, Price, Kershaw, Greinke, Max, DeGomm, King Feliz are better pitchers.
Id have to think if we trade for Hamels we are losing at least reed or Phillips or Moran...not sure I think that's worth it when we have other arms deep in our bullpen. Especially since those are the 3 guys who seem to have the least standing in their way in getting to the majors
I would guess Appel would be the center piece, along with pieces like Kemp etc But in the end, it's impossible to really know how other GM's value our talent We don't have any top 20 overall prospects anymore, we do have a ton of depth. While a few guys might want Phillips more than anyone others might value Appel more, others might value Feliz more, others Reed, others Velasquez, others might rather have "a few" prospects like Kemp/Hader/Fisher instead of one of the top guys (kind of like the Luhnow draft strategy) It's all a guesing game on our part since we don't know who they really value the most.
Based on the Phillies supposedly rejecting Wisler and Renfroe from Padres before the season, it is likely that they would want Phillips and one of Appel, Feliz, Reed, and Fisher to start discussions.
Yea maybe I'm just saying we don't know who they really value, that's all I mean there was some talk in the minor league thread about Nottingham over the past couple of months, how he could be the catcher of the future if he indeed improves enough defensively to stay at the position. Some really liked him around here, some luke warm. I don't think ANYONE here had him pegged as THE guy that made Oakland pull the trigger. When you have top 20 overall guys then it's easy to figure everyone covets them more than others. When you have a lot of top 100 top 150 types, it's just hard to know which team covets which ones
