So, is it 'legal' for the Astros to sign these guys under-slot with the understanding that if they don't sign the guys they need the slot savings for, they can rip up their contract and give them a heftier bonus?
Sands is generally considered the better prospect by Fangraphs, but Sandoval is the likelier sign based on Astros picking him in the 11th.
The magic number is ... Add the following $100,000 (does not count against the overall total) $249,100 (slot monies now left) $864,460 (5% of the total slot monies) to get $1,213,560
Well to me it seems that the slot savings was only about $250K. Sure the Astros can pay the monetary penalty, and go as high as $850K above the slot allotment. But then the $850K would be subject to a pretty high penalty. So, if the Astros go up by the Max of 5% overage, then they'd be out of pocket an additional 635,000 in penalties. I think Sandoval gets offered a $350K deal. No way they go for the 1.1 million for anyone. I think the HS guy were there in case Cameron balked and requested everything and the Kitchen sink..... From the following Website: http://www.blessyouboys.com/2013/6/26/4463258/MLB-draft-slotting-bonus-pools-penalties Players chosen after the first ten rounds may not receive a bonus for more than $ 100,000. Any bonus above that amount is deducted from the club’s total bonus pool. For example, if a club signs a player selected in the 15th round to a bonus of $ 150,000, the overage of $ 50,000 is deducted from their bonus pool. Penalties: Here are the penalties that are assessed to clubs that pay bonuses over their allotted bonus pool. 0- 5% over- 75% tax on the overage 5- 10% over- 75 % tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first round pick the next year 10- 15% over- 100% tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first and second round picks next year More than 15% over- 100% tax on the overage, and loss of the first round picks in the next two years’ drafts
Overall, it was one heck of draft. What this draft allowed the Astros to do was add a 5 tool player in Cameron. The team also drafted a guy projected to have one of the purest swings in over 20 years, often compared to Ted Williams swing. And the team drafted a top SS talent who is going to push everyone in the infield, as Bregman can play 3B, SS, 2B, and Catcher.... In hindsight, even with the Aiken debacle last season, the team faired pretty good. It essentially got Bregmann (a #4 rated prospect) and Cameron (a number 6 rated prospect) for Aiken (#1 pick), Nix (5th round), a actual #37 talent in the 2015 draft. The other side to the coin was the Astros looked for guys in the 2015 draft that were willing to sign underslot deals to accommodate Cameron. So, let it not be said the Astros faired better because of the events that happened. It would have been preferable that Aiken would have worked out and the UCL thing never was an issue. But without the benefit of the physical, I am stoked at how things ended up working out. When life gives you Lemons, you make Lemonade!!!!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scouting director Mike Elias announced Eshelman will join the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> Gulf Coast League team.</p>— #VoteAltuve (@astros) <a href="https://twitter.com/astros/status/616354257747361792">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eshelman assigned to the Gulf Coast League, but Mike Elias stressed he will not throw a lot at all after a strenuous college season. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/astros?src=hash">#astros</a></p>— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/616359879121465345">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The Astros could offer as much as $1.2 million to any of the three HS pitchers: Bakes, Sands, or Sandoval. Or They could split the $1.1 million over the two of them. Say the Astros know that they sign Sands for $1 million ($100K + $900K) and then they could offer Sandoval $300K ($100K + $200K). Guessing that would be a long shot.
I wonder if any guys unsigned are still negotiating, and if any progress has been done. I think the international signings could have slowed down talks, but i would think the numbers are so far off, that we have likely signed who is going to sign. Sounds like the HS guys all had good options to go to college and improve their stock in 3 years. And athletes being athletes probably all think will be a to ten pick then. I was just glad Cameron was signed and getting all top 10 round guys signed was quite a haul.
Patrick Sandoval is the target... Lefty with UPSIDE and more velocity to his fastball ( 91-93 currently )
He's more 87-91 and tops out at 92. He's already 6'2 190lbs so his body is relatively mature. Maybe he adds 1-2 mph to his fastball so that he's 89-92mph consistently. His fastball is pretty straight. His changeup has true plus potential. Curveball could be above average.
With who was signed, how would you rank the draft compared to other Astro draft classes? In a few years I think we will be comparing the 2012 and the 2015 as which was better.
Astros likely did very well in 2015 compared to other classes. However, Carlos Correa by himself may exceed the entire value of the Astros 2015 draft. Right now, McCullers and Phillps are better bets than anyone in the 2015 draft.
And Preston Tucker ain't too shabby for being a 7th round value pick either. It will be hard to top 2012, but it will sure be fun to follow the 2015 class for the next few years.
Astros 2012 draft could be the GOAT one day. Correa is looking like a future HOFer. McCullers is looking like a future all-star. Tucker looks like a solid starter. Brett Phillips is a top prospect. Ruiz is still a solid prospect for the Braves. Fontana, Aplin, Heineman, & Sclafani all look like they'll get a chance at some point, even though they likely will be bench players. There are several pitchers with a chance to make it to the bigs.
This is such a different feel from past years when we would have quick exit of all or most guys drafted within a 3 or 4 years with no real prospects emerging. Sure Hunter Pence, Bud Norris, and a few others came through. But now there isnt even enough room available for the prospects when projecting a line up. And the 2013 draft is shapping up to be super solid considering Aiken and Nix were not signed. It will be exciting to see how the Astros Prospects rank when the next MLB Prospect rankings come out. I am thinking that Brett Phillips is going to be pretty high up there.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Astros have signed 11th-round pick Patrick Sandoval of Mission Viejo HS in Calif. He's a LHP.</p>— Brian McTaggart ⚾️ (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/618538278770339840">July 7, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> have signed 11th round pick Patrick Sandoval</p>— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/618538019679813632">July 7, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
