Then why do you keep doing it? It's not like they haven't been upfront with you or you don't know what to expect. You should be upset with yourself rather than the Astros if you repeated make a decision you're unhappy with.
Jarred Cosart simply hasn't been very good. He hasn't been terrible by any means, but overall he has been subpar. This may hurt the MLB team, but not much. I think Nitro could come up and be as good as Cosart right away. As for those hating the trade for what Cosart may develop into, that is a more valid argument. This is essentially a prospect for prospect trade IMO, and I think we got more, but some may disagree.
I almost feel like Crane could give two ****s about the Astros. Guy had a huge St Louis Cardinals mural sent to him after they won the world series. It was in the Astros offices in the basements. When I saw it, I was like "who is that for and why is that in here". Reply was "oh that's for Mr. Crane, he is a huge Cardinals fan". Smh smh
Because I've been a fan my entire life, and always will be. No matter what Your response sounded very much like something Jim Crane would say, I'm glad someone finally got him to shut up and keep his thoughts to himself
To piggyback a little bit on this point, Major - fans tend to do two things: 1) overvalue their own players; 2) marginalize every other organization's compentency, leading to a lot of disappointment when a trade does (or doesn't) happen because, COME ON! CHRIS CARTER FOR DAVID PRICE IS TOTALLY FAIR! (It's usually not that extreme, obviously...) In the case of Cosart, I'm sure the Astros wanted a ML bat - in fact, I would be willing to bet that's why he was made available. But just because the Astros wanted one, doesn't mean there was a team willing to give them one. If the Astros see Cosart as a bit of a mirage, I think it's silly to assume they're the only ones. My guess is that the Astros fished for a bat, the Marlins balked and then came back with an enticing plan B: two of their top prospects in a system that has been very good, including a guy the Astros almost certainly extensively scouted just a year ago. I think it sounds like a great deal for both clubs: Miami gets a young, cheap pitcher with promise who can help them right away, and the Astros add a top-of-the-draft prospect to their system at a position of weakness. Win-win, IMO.
Being a fan and buying tickets are different things. You're saying you're upset you're paying money for a product you don't like - you have it completely in your control to stop doing that. Jim Crane is not making you do any such thing. I'm not suggesting you keep your thoughts to yourself - I'm suggesting you make better financial decisions than spending money on a product you don't like. You can b**** all you want about the team - but don't b**** about spending money on it and then blaming other people. That's entirely your own decision.
It's a little different in sports. You buy based on hope...you're not buying on a certain product; you're buying for the product that will be...well out ahead of time. I don't have it in my control to go back and un-buy season tickets we bought. Certainly you've purchased something before and thought later, "wow, that didn't turn out like I thought it would." And, no...I wasn't expecting a winning season...or anything close. It's also different because the Astros are very unique to me...to my family growing up. So it's clouded with weird things like emotion.
There ya go..right there. That's my issue. I'm ready for this team to start acquiring proven major league talent...and I feel like it's a step back in time when you're developing a guy like Cosart in your rotation and you trade him for guys like this.
No, Jim Crane isn't forcing me to buy tickets Major, you are right. We are only on this earth for so long though, having attended two funerals this month reinforces that to me I suppose. I love baseball, I really love the Astros. So while no one if forcing me to spend my money there, it's what I love to do and will continue doing so. And I will b**** about the decisions that are made that I don't like, and I will also b**** about the product they are putting on the field that i'm spending my money on. To me, it's part of being a fan. So thanks for telling me what i can and can't b**** about. If you aren't someone who has gone to games your entire life, you wouldn't understand though
Has this season not provided what you expected? On the field, this has been the most exciting Astros team in a long time. I know you like Cosart. I like him too. He's from Houston & he hates Dallas. He was also an Astro, so what wasn't to like? If they hadn't got such a good return, or got guys that were realistically 3 years away, I'd have been pissed, but that isn't what happened.
I totally get that. I really didn't expect them to do much at the deadline and thought that most of the changes (hopefully) would happen this offseason. I still expect that. I look at SS (short term vet), 3B, OF (maybe, can/do you move Fowler? I want a prototypical LFer), 1B/DH (Singleton & ???) as definite places they can improve the lineup. I like Dominguez, but I think he is who he is: a very good glove with power and zero on-base skills with a high K rate. You can win with a guy like that if you have the right pieces around him, but he's not one of those pieces, if that makes any sense. I thought they did a good job last offseason addressing the bullpen (who knew Albers and Crain would fall apart?), and given what they were looking at as a potential starting 5 (did we really know what we were going to get out of Cosart/Obie/Keuchel/Peacock/whoever?) I understood overpaying for Feldman. I want more and better this time around. Package some of that good ol' minor league depth and open up the budget for a couple of true difference makers that will be around for years.
This is a completely reasonable response. You are paying money and are a fan of a team that has been rebuilding for nearly three season and are ready to see improvement. All I can tell you is to be patient. They are going to probably be about 15 games improved from last year and think they are getting to the point where they expect to win. I love Cosarts arm but I don't view this trade as throwing in the towel at all. They got a very good prospect that is in AA and could be the starting third baseman by this time next year. It isn't like they moved Dallas K and Altuve or Springer and Singleton for Buxton that is a few years away. Having said that, if by this time next year there is not continued improvement I will join you with pitchforks raised.
... or if they leave the guy in AAA til after the Super-2... :grin::grin: #kidding #duckingrottentomatoes
I can see raised pitch forks because the Astros suck. Cosart isn't going to change that. Kiké isn't going to change that. The guys the Astros got aren't going to change that. Options are 1) keep the status quo and suck for a while but not as bad as last year, the year before, the year before that, the year before that, the year before that, the year before that, and the year before that; 2) mortgage future so that improves team now to slightly suck; 3) make moves that can contribute to getting out of Suckville (Pop. Astros); or 4) do something really stupid or wait around to luck into someone doing something really stupid in your benefit. I want out of Suckville. This move doesn't get the Astros out of there, but appears in the right direction. Without letting the Astros try to make moves under option 3, the Astros don't have Cosart or Singleton and are much worse off today than they are. The years of sucking don't improve Cosart's chances of being a savior. If you keep making moves that keep falling a part, you would need to reevaluate your decision making process on individual trades, but you still have to go with option 3 if you don't want to suck. As one of the Marlins fans put it, it probably helps them win 0.6 more games this season. Colin Appel, I mean, Moran gets a lot of hate over there so they tend only to be upset with the draft pick.
You're in the vast minority on this. Every analysis of the trade indicates the Astros did very well, even if the Marlins did too. Plus, you won't have to see the name Krauss in the starting lineup as much (I hope).
