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2012 MLB Draft

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  1. tellitlikeitis

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Draft order released officially: Astros go 1, 41 (comp for Barmes), 61, 96 and every 30 starting at 129.</p>&mdash; Zachary Levine (@zacharylevine) <a href="https://twitter.com/zacharylevine/status/192277829872926720" data-datetime="2012-04-17T15:46:21+00:00">April 17, 2012</a></blockquote>
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  2. No Worries

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    That is a lot of sandwich picks.

    Sandwich Round Mock

    1st Round Compensation Notes
    # 19 - St. Louis receives LA Angels 2012 1st round pick as compensation for the Angels signing Type A free agent Albert Pujols.
    # 22 - Toronto receives compensation for failure to sign 2011 1st round pick Tyler Beede.
    # 27 - Milwaukee receives Detroit's 2012 1st round pick as compensation for the Tigers signing type A free agent Prince Fielder.
    # 31 - Boston receives Philadelphia 2012 1st round pick as compensation for the Phillies signing type A free agent Jonathan Papelbon.

    1st Sandwich Round Compensation Notes
    # 32 - Minnesota receives compensation for the Rockies signing Michael Cuddyer, modified Type A .
    # 33 - San Diego receives compensation for the Marlins signing Heath Bell, modified Type A.
    # 34 - Oakland receives compensation for the Twins signing Josh Willingham, modified Type A.
    # 35 - NY Mets receives compensation for the Marlins signing Jose Reyes, Type A.
    # 36 - St. Louis receives compensation for the Angels signing Albert Pujols, Type A.
    # 37 - Boston receives compensation for the Phillies signing Jonathan Papelbon, Type A.
    # 38 - Milwaukee receives compensation for the Tigers signing Prince Fielder, Type A.
    # 39 - Texas receives compensation for the Angels signing C.J. Wilson, Type A.
    # 40 - Philadelphia receives compensation for the Reds signing Ryan Madsen, modified Type A.
    # 41 - Houston receives compensation for the Pirates signing Clint Barmes, Type B.
    # 42 - Minnesota receives compensation for the Diamondbacks signing Jason Kubel, Type B.
    # 43 - Chicago Cubs receives compensation for the Brewers signing Aramis Ramirez, Type B.
    # 44 - San Diego receives compensation for the Dodgers signing Aaron Harang, Type B.
    # 45 - Pittsburgh receives compensation for the Twins signing Ryan Doumit, Type B.
    # 46 - Colorado receives compensation for the Dodgers signing Mark Ellis, Type B.
    # 47 - Oakland receives compensation for the Cubs signing David DeJesus, Type B.
    # 48 - Chicago White Sox receives compensation for the Marlins signing Mark Buehrle, Type B.
    # 49 - Cincinnati receives compensation for the Rockies signing Ramon Hernandez, Type B.
    # 50 - Toronto receives compensation for the Mets signing Frank Francisco, Type B.
    # 51 - LA Dodgers receives compensation for the Pirates signing Rod Barajas, Type B.
    # 52 - St. Louis receives compensation for the Tigers signing Octavio Dotel, Type B.
    # 53 - Texas receives compensation for the Blue Jays signing Darren Oliver, Type B.
    # 54 - Philadelphia receives compensation for the NY Yankees signing Raul Ibanez, Type B.
    # 55 - Chicago Cubs receive compensation for the Rays signing Carlos Pena, Type B.
    # 56 - San Diego receives compensation for failure to sign 2011 sandwich-rounder Brett Austin.
    # 57 - Cincinnati receives compensation for the Blue Jays signing Francisco Cordero, Modified Type B.
    # 58 - Toronto receives compensation for the Mets signing Jon Rauch, Type B.
    # 59 - St. Louis receives compensation for the Nationals signing Edwin Jackson, Type B.
    # 60 - Toronto receives compensation for the Rays signing Jose Molina, Type B.
     
  3. BimaThug

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    Give Ed Wade some credit. The Clint Barmes signing was a great move. He provided steady defense, a somewhat decent bat and a veteran presence on a really young team. More importantly, the decision to stick with him at SS despite the influx of youth--and not to trade him for a middling prospect--allowed Barmes to get the numbers needed to become a Type B Free Agent and has now netted the Astros the #41 pick in the 2012 MLB Draft.

    Don't think for a minute that this wasn't a primary option/goal when Barmes was signed (or at least once the trade deadline approached). Too bad Bill Hall couldn't have done the same for the Astros.

    Here's hoping that a future franchise savior is drafted with that pick.
     
  4. kaleidosky

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    how are RP stats computed for comp pick purposes? If Lyon accumulates saves while having poor peripherals, would that net a Type B potentially or is it a lot more complex than that?
     
  5. tellitlikeitis

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    There's criteria that goes into determining whether a player is a Type A free agent, a Type B free agent, or a regular free agent. Here's an MLB Trade Rumors article on the process (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/stats-used-for.html). Now, the column is almost 5 years old, but the methods that the Elias Sports Bureau uses has not changed much, if at all.

    TL;DR:

    A = team that loses the Type A player gets the signing team's first-round pick and an additional pick in the supplemental round (between 1st and 2nd rounds)

    B = team that loses a Type B player gets only the supplemental-round pick

    Regular = no compensation

    Article:
     
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    It's a good problem to have. God I hope someone stands out from the crowd before the draft.
     
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    After taking Springer last season I have a feeling they'll go for one of the pitchers, but on all of the sites I've looked at now have Buxton #1.
     
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    You always go BPA in baseball drafts doesn't matter if they took Springer or not.
     
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    MLB did however change how they are handling compensation picks. I know it means far fewer A types, but I don't know about Bs.
     
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    I would say go with Appel, that way if he pans out and becomes a rockstar pitcher he might be able to lure his buddy Andrew Luck as a FA for the Texans. What helped Manning choose Denver over others?...his relationship with Todd Helton.

    Saying that though, hard not to choose Buxton. Might need to rename crawford to the Buxton boxes. This kid can hit.
     
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    In his chat yesterday Law said that buxton (along with Justin upton) had the best physical tools he ever scouted in a prospect. He went along to say that buxtons future tools grade out as 7-8 ( on a 2-8 scouting scale) across the board
     
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    I don't buy it, especially about his power. I see 60 power at best, maybe only 55.

    I like Buxton a lot and wouldn't be mad if we drafted him, but right now Gausman is my #1.
     
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    What are you basing that on? Glassey from ba is also on record projecting his future power as plus. Even at only 60 or 55 it's still a plus tool and can be projected at 20hrs in the majors. Combine that with a high average, speed, and gg capabilities at center.

    I dont get gausman at 1.1. for all the flack Appel gotten for his performance gausman hasnt been appreciably better and at this point he's just a two pitch pitcher. There is risk attached to all the potential picks (even the college players) but i think buxton has the best chance at being a franchise level player. I'm sure they'll do their due diligence on all of them but I hope who ever they go with it's bpa and not who is the most "safe"
     
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    60 would be plus power, yes.

    I base it on Buxton being skinny and not having a swing path which looks geared to power hitting.

    70 power is very rare just FYI. Jonathan Singleton probably only has between 65 and 70.

    Only speaking of statistics, Gausman has been MUCH MUCH better than Appel. He is striking out almost a dozen batters per nine innings and his ERA and FIP are both more than half a run lower. Now, scouting-wise, they are very close. Gausman's secondary stuff is worse than Appel's, but his fastball and command are both better. For me, they are almost equal from a scouting perspective, but the statistical dominance gives Gausman the edge.
     
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    65-70 might even be generous for Singleton... very few guys have it....
     
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    Buxton isn't hitting HRs against low-level HS talent.

    Most people seem to have Zimmer ahead of Gausman.
     
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    I was speaking of future grade, not present. Singleton doesn't seem to have unlocked his power yet. But yes, 35 HR potential is rare
     
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    Zimmer... he has more potential than Gausman. I like him a lot. he has more risk though. I think he's a midway point between Gausman and Appel. The recent conversation from position player makes him a real quandary.

    I don't think we can go horribly wrong with Gausman/Zimmer/Zunino/Appel/Buxton. They're all strong, solid candidates for 1-1.
     

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