Come on Samurai! Let's hear it! Do you believe Obama is a fascist socialist interloper hell bent on the destruction of America? Do you wanna take yer country back?
So, since we are in the greatest financial distress since the Depression and in the midst of an ongoing war, shouldn't you, as you so astutely pointed out, unite behind President Obama.
There are numerous lies that have been spread at tea party functions. 1. they have made false claims about what is in the health care bill all along the way including death panels, that the govt. is taking over health care if the bill passes, and numerous other falsehoods. 2. Obama is a socialist. 3. Obama is a fascist. It seems like every time things like this are brought up, thumbs will claim that it's only fringe odd balls that spread those lies with the help of the media who will focus on those oddballs. That may be, but never the less it has been at tea party functions that these lies were spread.
Don't give thumbs that much credit: he is endorsing these lies by agreeing with the "fringe" that Obama is a socialist and fascist. And to be fair, the whole "death panel" lie wasn't spread at a Tea Bagger event. It was just spread by the keynote speaker at their convention. Thumbs is the most contemptible kind of Tea Bagger: he let's others do the shouting for him, then sits back and claims to be appalled and dismayed at their behavior, all the while endorsing their views and their events. At least the screaming Tea Baggers are up-front with their agenda.
She may have made the most famous death panel comment, but that bogus claim definitely was also spread at teabag events. The thing is I understand the spirit of what some of these people believe they are doing at least on some level. I totally understand getting excited at the idea of changing the govt. That's great. Getting active and actually trying to put action to the words is also great. But basing that change on lies, and being misinformed is sickening, dooms the movement to failure and will probably discourage other movements from becoming active. It will only foster more cynicism.
bottom line is just like John Stewart said. If Obama is a socialist he's got it backwards. The wall street bail out was the biggest wealth redistribution we've had, and it went from the middle class to wall street! That isn't socialism. If he's a tyrant, he's the lamest tyrant ever. What kind of tyrant or fascist can't pass his agenda because he needs Joe Lieberman's vote? That kind of BS and rhetoric spread by the tea party does a great disservice to any serious effort of reforming or changing our system by that group. Yet they are the ones that spread it, and invite speakers to their convention to amplify it, and keep it out there. Political involvement and wanting to make a change is admirable. Doing so with a message of stupidity like the whole socialism/fascism thing is.... stupid. It's plain and simple. While it might be true that not everyone in the movement is a racist birther, having such idiotic rhetoric is only going to appeal to those types of people, and the movement will be forever marred unless the more serious minded teabaggers that supposedly exist do something about it, now. So far they haven't shown the slightest inclination to do that.
The political naivete of many of these disaffected tea baggers allows them to be manipulated with relative ease.
its closer to fascism and its the exact same crap that bush did too. the profits are privatized while the costs are socialized...only when bush did it these teabaggers supported him all the way and in fact, called those who were critical of bush unpatriotic, unamerican terrorist supporters.
No, you missed the point, thumbs. Words have meaning, as you know very well. They have impact. They are emotion in a suitcase carried by the author. When the author decides to pick certain words out of his bag and use them and those words have a long, demonstrable history as being inflammatory, or hurtful, as the case may be (my point in the other thread re "r****d"), the deliberate use of them in an inflammatory way says volumes about the author, especially if it becomes clear that their use wasn't from ignorance of the impact. Calling Obama a fascist and a socialist is a deliberate attempt to "tar Mr. Obama" with labels undeserved. Comparing Obama to Albert Speer and the architects of Hitler's Nazi Germany? You might as well cry "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. Not only is the comparison not deserved, it insures the end of all civil discourse on the issue, which is the point, is it not? Perhaps not your point, as confusing as your own interpretation is to just about everyone else (and to the vast majority here and in the country), but also the point of the far-right leadership of the GOP. You know, the people you aren't worried about taking control of your movement. It is simply rediculous. And trying to paint him as "a socialist," simply because he is attempting to get a program of national healthcare passed, is painting with far too broad a brush, as I think you know, but stubbornly refuse to acknowledge. There is a big difference between calling someone a socialist and discussing certain policies of that person that could be described as having a socialist bent. In my opinion, at any rate.
I said people tend to unite behind a leader not that it is always the best thing to do. It really depends if the leader is worthy of uniting behind and following. And so far Obama hasn't shown he is.
No, don't believe that. Just his socialist leaning policies are what I'm concerned about. I truly believe that he believes he is doing the right thing for the country.
No, fixing federal roads and building schools sound pretty good to me. But, the idea of universal health care and punishing the wealthy for being successful , spreading their hard earned money to other less fortunate seems like he leans that direction. p.s. I'm am not a wealthy on any monetary levels.
If we keep going on the same path we're on as a nation in regards to healthcare you'll never see any wealth. And universal healthcare has nothing to do with punishing the wealthy. You’ve been fed a bunch of lies.
