Good article on tea partiers (even though it's from the OMGLEFTWINGBIASEDJOURNALISTS!#%*&^#%*): http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/08/avlon.tea.party.future/index.html?hpt=Sbin
I don't think you understand the definition of socialist. Nor fascist. You realize the industries - auto and banking - voluntarily sold partial ownership to the government in exchange for cash? This was not a takeover of industry but a normal financial transaction. These were bankrupt industries that had the choice of folding and liquidating or being saved by a 3rd party. The government acted no differently than an extremely well-financed private market player. In the case of the banks, it has already sold ownership of the vast majority of those banks. As far as setting pay, that's the right of an owner of a corporation. If you believe Obama is either socialist or fascist, you need to start over because you're not working off of normal definitions.
I'm watching Seven Days in May on TCM right now. It creeps me out how much the vitrolic anti-president rhetoric by the "patriots" who try to overthrow the government in the film sounds exactly like the stuff coming from the Tea Party people.
Thumbs, thank you for that very well written and coherent reply. I hope Major and some of his buddies read this and take it in and not be blinded by their political views. I would rep you again but it looks like I reached the limit Again thanks again for your post. Although I dont agree with you having LBJ has one of your heroes. But hey that is why this country is so great we can agree to disagree.
It really is sad that you say that. I think you are the one here that is clearly nuts or just dont have the intelligence to read another perspective. Thumbs takes the time and writes a very thoughtful response that can easily be understood by anyone who is not blinded by a single political view and you can only come back with a one liner and resulting to name calling. Well just keep showing off who you really are soon you will be on everyone's ignore list.
I appreciate you bringing up the '60's and can understand why you think there are some comparisons to be made, despite the political beliefs being so (forgive me) radically different, but the comparison is pretty superficial, in my opinion. Still, I'll give you some of that, but I have to add this... after what I bolded, thumbs, you completely lost me. Obama isn't a socialist. He isn't a fascist. You just said he was both. You can attempt to go back and parse your words, if you want, but that's what you said. How can I take you seriously when you make statements like that? And regardless of what you believe, I believe that Major is right, that while I think you and others like you are well intentioned and not crazy (although you thinking Obama is a "socialist/fascist" is certainly crazy, I'll just ignore that for now), you are seriously putting some blinders on if you really think your movement isn't being highjacked by the right wing of the GOP. You claim to be a genuine movement, made up of Obama supporters as well as disaffected Republicans and independents, yet the rhetoric is straight out of Karl Rove's playbook. I don't see any balance at all. I see a highjacked movement being steered right where the far right wing of the GOP wants it. You and your friends, and you won't like hearing it, are being used. And that's a bummer.
That might be true if anything thumbs said was based in fact. Anyone who considers Obama a socialist or fascist has lost their minds. Especially from someone who has no idea the definition of the terms.
Well i feel thumbs has made several valid points and people like Batman Jones can only resort to name calling. I would agree that you can't define someone by just one single term. Is Bush a Conservative or a Republican based on the definition of a conservative or a republic? No.. Just like Clinton was a liberal/democrat on all issues. So with that said is Obama a socialist? Well yes and no. I dont believe he is a Socialist or intends to be one but some of his policies/decisions certainly are going down the road of Socialism. I will just refer you to this article and you can see how Obama shares a lot of similar views as the Socialist Party in America. Now I dont agree with everything written here but I do think it also has a lot of valid points. So is Obama a socialist? ehh I personally dont think so right now but he's the closest thing we have to a Socialist President.
You missed the point. All Presidents are both socialist and fascist. Because such a point was made of "lying," my point was that to certain extent both were true. I gave you an example of how LBJ was. My weakness was in not going back to Roosevelt and going forward with examples of both for each President. That's the problem with trying to avoid presenting an entire treatise on how our federal democracy is capable of using parts of all systems, and yet here we are. However, if you, mc mark et al always want to see the worst -- just like the very fringes you say you despise -- then I can't continue the dialogue.
FDR is widely considered one of the greatest Presidents in the history of our country. He was so far to the left of Mr. Obama, and so much closer to being a "socialist," that it isn't even an amusing comparison. In fact, there is little worth comparing. Yet this language is being thrown around. I'm sorry, but it is simply absurd.
We are working very hard on elections rather than usurping the government by force. BTW, "Seven Days in May" is one of my favorite movies.
yes I am well aware of FDR and yes you are right he is definitely far left and another socialist president. I think he got a lot of credit being considered one of the greatest presidents because it was during a tough time in America with the Great Depression and WWII. In times of conflict people need to unite behind a leader which is why he was so popular. Much like how Mr Bush had approval ratings in the 80-90% after 911.
