The problem with Landry is although his scoring is up there with the best in the league and his toughness knows no bounds, his D is average and his rebounding is sub-par, which is strange considering his lunchbucket/all grit mentality. His deficiency in those areas make his ceiling an elite 6th man, however when his current contract expires he's due to make more money than a 6th man should make. Of course I'd love to him back at the right price, however considering HIll's upside I'd really rather have Jordan Hill than Landry. Remember although Landry entered the league the same time as Brooks, he's actually only a few months younger than Kevin Martin.
Thanks for bringing up the article. Actually even though it helps in your argument, the article also helps my argument as well and provides evidence that those rankings are not accurate in any form when it comes to analysing how good a defender is. Memphis is a notoriously bad defensive team. They are a horrible defensive team. Their coach is not known as a defensively-oriented coach by any means. They did not possess any noted elite defensive players. All of their players you could say are horrible defenders. But above all, their team defense is horrible. It is not surprising to see OJ Mayo 2nd to last above Rudy Gay who is last. They had Darrell Arthur starting and they basically had no centre other than a rookie Marc Gasol who didn't do much. On the perimetre they had Rudy Gay and a rookie OJ Mayo. With the point guard position filled only by Mike Conley and Kyle Lowry (for half a season), it is not surprising to see their opponents pour on points on the Grizzlies starters while their bench held even somewhat. OJ Mayo is a very good defender, just look any scouting report. On that "worst defenders'" list they had Deron Williams and Kevin Durant..it is not unreasonable to look at that list as "unadjusted"...if Rudy Gay was in the same company as Deron Williams defensively then he could be a defensive stopper day in and day out on those elite wings his team has to face
Boozer!?!? Not only am I offended, you have offended my family and you have offended the Shaolin Temple.
While I'm sure it's all wild speculation, I saw on one site a rumor that it would either be a two-way deal or possibly even a larger three-way deal with Indy. Either way, the Rockets would give up and get the same thing: Rockets trade: 14th pick, David Andersen T-Wolves trade: 23rd pick, Nikola Pekovic Again, I give very little credence to deal specifics relating to such a trade rumor, but this sounds like a somewhat reasonable exchange. Basically, it's the equivalent of trading down in the draft to, say, the 18th pick(?) while picking up the 23rd pick and also shedding a "bad" contract (if you can call $2.5M next season and only $185k guaranteed in 2011-12 that "bad"). While I won't pretend to be an expert on Pekovic, I do know that when he was drafted with the first pick of the second round in 2008, draft experts were saying that he was a valuable prospect who would have been a mid-first rounder if he wasn't committed to staying in Europe at the time. Apparently, lots of teams wanted to trade for Minny's pick (#31 overall) just so they could nab Pekovic without the constraints of a first round rookie scale salary. So, his value is fairly well-known around the league. It's just that casual American NBA fans don't know who he is. He doesn't solve the Rockets' lack of shot-blocking, but he's an absolute BULL down low. He strikes me as a less athletic version of Marcin Gortat but with a much better low post offensive game. He's no Marc Gasol, but he may not be that far off. Plus, he's only 24 years old. Compare that with the ages of Scola (27) and Andersen (29) when they were brought over. Pekovic is still very young and has the opportunity to get much better. If the Rockets had to give up the 14th pick in order to get Pekovic and a later first rounder from the T-Wolves, I can't say that I'd have a huge problem with that. Especially if the Rockets can shed a contract like Andersen's in the process.
Huh? Deron Williams is an elite offensive player but he isn't very good defensively. Rudy Gay does indeed have the tools to be a good defender, so does every tall athletic player in the NBA. The problem is that he's not willing to put in the effort on the defensive end. Since he's been in the NBA Gay has been horrible defensively, so now you assume that he's suddenly gonig to get much better after getting a big money, long term guarenteed contract?
Chalk this entire thread up with comments like, "man, I really miss Carl Landry." And while the Eockets are at it they can trade their future 1st round pick for the next decade to whatever team Ryan Bowen is playing for these days. That would make a lot of sense.
And according to draft 4.0 we could be looking at Daniel Orton Pattrick Patterson Lance Stephenson Pretty intriguing.
No. We are not considering Lance Stephenson. I question whether he even gets drafted. Patterson isn't falling that low. And if we get Pekovic, Orton is not needed. If we trade into the twenties, we are looking to pick up either Heyword or Babbitt. But this does smell like a typical Morey deal. Trade down and pick up a semi-proven asset in Pekovic, who may be a little older but a little more of a sure thing, and pick another player with potential too.
It's not so much Andersen's salary, it's the fact that he is occupying a spot on the roster that would make me want to get rid of him. He's not worthy of PT so he needs to go, no matter what his salary is. At what point is a trade like this liklely to happen? Is there any rule that says it couldn't happen now (before the season is over)?
I was simply referencing the players in the low 20's range according to Mock Draft 4.0. You think Heyward and Babbit are going to be there past 15?
I agree with you,but one of the reports in this thread said Pekovic wanted the entire MLE. That's too much. A similar deal to Luis' plus the chance of a shoe deal is more than enough. I don't know if he has a buyout,but he is expected to join the Wolves this year. I do want to point out that his listed 6'11" height seems closer to 6'9". He does have the reputation of a high energy player who likes contact. If he loses some fat,then his muscularity will help him out.
What attention are you referring to? This thread is about the only I even come into the GARM anymore until something breaks out. Made it to see all the interesting ideas about trades.
well according to reports the hornets are trying to unload a big contract like peja or okafor along with collison. collison has been amazing since paul was out with injury, if we could give them jeffries and battier for collison and okafor i think it would give us some flexibility in allowing lowry to walk us to retain scola and have a center incase yao is still not ready to go brooks/collison martin/buddinger ariza/someone to filled with a draft pick scola/hayes yao/okafor
Man, you took the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH!! I was just about to post this same thing. This would allow us to actually upgrade Lowry's position without taking a financial hit, and the fact that Collison is only a Rookie is just incredible!! I remember watching him play us and thinking, Paul who?? He has superstar potential written all over him! New Orleans would be a fool to let him walk. Anyone can see that! If New Orleans were willing to part with Peja's contract vs. Okafor's I would probably be a little more happy because a $15 million expiring contract is a great trade chip especially for teams looking to get into the 2011 sweepstakes. Morey could potentially pull another trade like he did last year. If we ended up with Okafor though, I would be fine with that. He's a Houston native and brings solid defense to the table. We have to have more defense in the post, that's our biggest weakness. Another good point made was the trading of picks. If we had to take on Okafor's contract, we should have the right to move up 3 spots in the draft without a doubt!! Morey could pull a real gem out with the 11th pick. P.G. - Aaron Brooks 5-10 (2010 M.I.P.)______Darren Collison 6-0 (2010 Rookie 1st Team) S.G. - Kevin Martin 6-7__________________#11 Pick (Xavier Henry?)________________________Jermaine Taylor 6-4 S.F. - Trevor Ariza 6-8 (2009 NBA Champ)___#11 Pick (Paul George?)________________________Chase Budinger 6-7 P.F. - Luis Scola 6-9_____________________Jordan Hill 6-10 ..C. - Yao Ming 7-6 (All-Star)______________Emeka Okafor 6-10 (Rookie of the Year)
