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2010 NBA Finals: Lakers Vs. Celtics

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by abc2007, May 29, 2010.

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Who will win this series?

  1. Lakers in 4

    3 vote(s)
    0.7%
  2. Lakers in 5

    12 vote(s)
    2.8%
  3. Lakers in 6

    61 vote(s)
    14.3%
  4. Lakers in 7

    80 vote(s)
    18.8%
  5. Celtics in 4

    5 vote(s)
    1.2%
  6. Celtics in 5

    21 vote(s)
    4.9%
  7. Celtics in 6

    147 vote(s)
    34.5%
  8. Celtics in 7

    97 vote(s)
    22.8%
  1. goodbug

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    That's simple. Cavs is the only back to back 60 wins team that couldn't make finals. So LeBron did stand out in the wrong way. And since he got the most props for winning games in regular season, he deserved the most blame for losing series in playoff as favorite team. No excuse.

     
  2. francis 4 prez

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    not that i really expect you to come up with some sort of cogent rebuttal, but you didn't really answer the question, the question being:


    how does that logic at all make sense? it's spouted so often by so many and yet i can hardly believe people believe it. lets not even make it lebron, lets make it MJ in the 80's. so if MJ plays like the best player in the league and wins, he gets the credit. makes sense, he played like the best player in the game. but if he plays like the best player in the league and loses, then he deserves the blame? seems kind of stupid, he played like the best player in the game. so he plays the same but should be viewed completely differently. fairly illogical. we just assume no external factors could ever come into play.
     
  3. goodbug

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    Actually I've answered this question before. Their playbook is too simple, give the ball to LeBron, give him some screens if he likes it and that's all.

    In regular season, good teams don't engineer their defense against particular offense, and most teams aren't that good to begin with. In playoff, when stake is high, the opposing team can run the most effective defensive rotation in sleep after 2 games. If you can't make changes, of course you are in bad shape.

    But how can you convince LBJ to play more off the ball and let his teammates have more routines. He can't get stats without the ball and stats is everything for him.




     
  4. goodbug

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    And MJ in his early career wasn't losing to underdogs. He lost to teams with better regular season record that won it all.

    That's why it's OK to lose to Spurs in the finals. But not the last 2 years. The expectation is simply on different level.

     
  5. RockyChamp

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    Its funny how they dont' realize that. If Lebron shares the ball he won't rack up the stats. Its a one trick pony offense...he massages and dribbles the ball to the end of the shot clock and either goes in for the make or passes it out at the end of the clock to a teammate. That will not get it done. That will pad your stats however :)
     
  6. clippy

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    And that's why the Cavs have such a good record without LeBron, and the Lakers such a poor one without Kobe, right?

    Oh.. wait.
     
  7. RockyChamp

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    neither team makes the playoffs without the respective superstar on their roster
     
  8. clippy

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    So LeBron is being penalized for doing well in the regular season? Maybe he should be more like Kobe and miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st round when he has a limited supporting cast (as he has had his entire career).

    If LeBron leaves, let's see how great the Cavs are next year. After all, these guys helped him win 60+ for two years in a row now, right?
     
  9. clippy

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    BS. The Lakers easily make the playoffs and probably win a round with the same team. Heck, Gasol won 50 games with a worse cast around him in Memphis.
     
  10. RockyChamp

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    So? You think Battier, Posey, Mike Miller are a joke of a supporting cast? Quit underrating them. You need 50 wins to make the playoffs in the West and that Laker team without Kobe is incapable of accomplishing that
     
  11. clippy

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    I'd take Odom, Artest, and Bynum over Battier, Posey, and Miller, yes. You're the one underrating the Lakers supporting cast. It's no surprise they didn't lose a beat (actually improved their record) when Kobe sat out for a few weeks. They went like 5-1 in a tough stretch, with the only loss being to the Celtics by 1. Then Chucker24 returned and they proceeded to lose immediately. LOL!
     
  12. RockyChamp

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    Thats a small sample of games. It was actually 5. they picked up a quality win at Utah that is it. . They won at Portland that had no Brandon Roy. A win vs the Warriors that had no Ellis. A Spurs team that was 4-5 heading into that game. Yea great huh?

    Btw Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs in 3 postseason trips. I guess thats the supporting cast's fault huh?
     
  13. clippy

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    You mean a victory @Portland where they hadn't won in forever? The same team they lost two, with Kobe, and without Roy playing 11 minutes, IN LA a few weeks later? You aren't really helping your argument there, kiddo.
     
  14. RockyChamp

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    Yea when Kobe's knee was giving him hell and had it drained midway through the OKC series and then you saw the clinic you put on from there on forth to now...
     
  15. goodbug

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    WTF? Do you mean he's being penalized with MVPs?
    Give LeBron Kwame and Smush as starters and he won't make playoff in west.

     
  16. clippy

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    LOL how you downplay Odom, who is better than anyone Lebron has ever played with. And no way LBJ misses the playoffs with Odom and Butler. Kobe only wins with stacked teams == FACT.
     
  17. clippy

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    Maybe Kobe should have sat out then, considering they beat Portland without him and all. Chucker24 == OVERRATED
     
  18. VBG

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    Butler wasn't that good with the Lakers. Odom is crazy inconsistent as well.

    But yeah, Lebron is better overall even though Kobe is more skilled.
     
  19. RockyChamp

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    He missed two games before that game & 2 games after that game to finish the season. You look like a fool with your nicknames you give him lol. "Chucker24" is about to get his 5th ring while yo boi Lebron is making news about free agency LOL
     
  20. clippy

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    The sad thing is that IF Kobe gets his 5th ring but Gasol gets the Finals MVP, you Kobe nutriders will be more upset than any other fans. Of course, I expect Chuckbe to freeze out Gasol in the final game if it comes to that.
     

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