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2010 free agents and Collusion

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DaDakota, May 25, 2010.

  1. KePoW

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    What's wrong with that? It's the players' choice, you can't force them to go somewhere they don't like.

    Like you said above, you're only thinking about this from a biased Rockets' standpoint. If Lebron and Bosh both came to Houston, you wouldn't care about this 'issue'.
     
  2. bnb

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    Free agents have always considered teammates/coaches, when choosing with whom to sign. This doesn't seem that different. They'll be signing max deals, and the teams will be subject to the cap -- so what difference does it make if Bosh signs with a team that already has a max player -- or if two max free agents agree to go to the same team?
     
  3. Pull_Up_3

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    If amare leaves pheonix i can see dirk considering joining the suns with nash again :grin:
     
  4. dobro1229

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    Very Correct. All three of these players would essentially be leaving 30 Million dollars on the table by going to new teams unless it was through sign and trade.

    In the end, its all about the money and those three teams will pay them their share, the other three players you cannot say that about their teams.

    Also, them pursuing the free agent market is really a business tactic to have the upperhand in negotiations with their current team. High market value drives up the price, like with any product.

    Also, I believe the top three mentioned (Bosh, Amare, JJ) have shown that they cannot single handily carry a team to a championship level and their best bet to win is to team up with other players like the Boston Celtics did a few years ago with Pierce, Garnett, Allen. Those three guys would have been long forgotten by now had they not teamed up.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Isn't that $30 million on the table deal not really true because you can only sign them for 5 years instead of 6, and in their next contract they make up most of that?

    Or am I reading it wrong?

    DD
     
  6. abc2007

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    I think you are right. Actually, a 4+1 contract (player option for the last year) is probably the best for Bosh.

     
  7. JujuxG

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    I felt like team is going to over pay for players. :(
     
  8. leebigez

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    Leaving 30m on the table is overrated and thats why if toronto don't get the package they want, they will let bosh walk. Bosh and lbj could sign a 5 yr deal with another opt out and hit it again right before their 30th birthday.
     
  9. AusFan

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    I think that when they re-sign with their current team they are eligible for 10.5% raise each season rather than 8% if they sign elsewhere, so it costs them money each year as well as missing out on the extra year at the end:

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q46
     
  10. Steve_Francis_rules

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    That accounts for part of the $30 million. Remember, though, that some of these guys (Johnson, Dirk) are probably signing their last big contracts. They won't have time to make that money back.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    True, but calculating the actual value is so much harder. You can start assuming they'll make the max again that year, and then you have to subtracting for risks -- risk that the player has a career-ending injury, risk that his market value declines, risk that changes in the CBA reduce how much he is eligible to sign for. By the time you're done subtracting for risks, there probably isn't much left. You can add a little for the benefits of flexibility that an earlier free agency gives you, and perhaps the happiness that comes from not being albatross contract that gets traded for financial purposes all the time. But still, no player should really be counting on still being worth a max contract 6 years from now.
     
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    7.Paul Silas advises Miami regarding Boozer "I told you'd he was going to be all "See you next Tuesday""
     
  13. jason3333

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    IMO i hope every big free agent does whats best for them, hell as long as we get bosh the other free agents can just rot and go away!
     
  14. acsorelle4

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    I have a vague memory of one of the big FA's admitting there was collusion. I think it was James or Wade, during the olympics who admitted that they all got together and negotiated deals that would have them all being FA's at the same time, in 2010. I can't substantiate it at work, and hell, I could be wrong altogether. Anyone else remember something like this?
     
  15. acsorelle4

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    Forgot to mention, that Dirk to Phoenix idea is intriguing. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned more frequently.
     
  16. Jontro

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    Man now I kinda feel bad... I should do this less then.

    I'm hoping all the big FA's move to a different team. LerBon isn't gonna win in Cleveland.
     
  17. Pull_Up_3

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    Yup imagine dirk and nash paired up again :grin:
     
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    The main think I Dislike is that they are actually consulting each other.. These guys are supposed to be opponents.. Kobe would never do this... Why the hell are we having meeting to see where everyone wants to go? It's irritating. That's the main thing plaguing the NBA no one hates anyone anymore.. seems all the top stars excluding Kobe are friends..
     
  20. Raven

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    The League needs to jam a franchise tag down the throat of the player's union. This free agency summer has been a huge distraction, created too much unnecessary drama, and also influenced a lot of general managers to make some very bad moves. I see three things, a hard cap, reduce the years of guaranteed contracts by one, and allow teams to franchise any one player.
     

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