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[2008] Republicans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. hotballa

    hotballa Contributing Member

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    I'll clarify, I mean tto say that experience will be a MUCH bigger issue for Obama than Giuliiani because since Obama is black, people will be looking for more reason to NOT vote for him.
     
  2. jo mama

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    "hey, arent you that plagarist?"

    are you not trying to "tear down" obama w/ the meaningless namecalling?

    not only are you a plagarist, but also a hypocrite.
     
  3. rimrocker

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  4. DarkHorse

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    I'd go for Mitt first, Rudy probably second.
     
  5. Deckard

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    An old friend of mine, a native Houstonian who yearns to return to Texas, lives in Boston. He thinks Romney has a shot at winning the GOP nomination, coming out of nowhere, sort of like Bill Clinton. Of course Romney, not being from Arkansas, is better known. My friend is an independent who voted Republican, more often than not, but thinks Bush, someone he admired as governor, and for the first couple of years as President, has shown himself unsuited for the job. He voted Democratic in the last election, but would support Romney. Claims Romney will impress a lot of people when he becomes better known nationally. That he's an excellent speaker, with a lot of good ideas.

    Just thought I'd throw that out there. I don't know much about Romney, myself. About the only Republican I would consider voting for in '08 would be Hagel, if the Democratic possibilities I like don't get the nomination, and he probably won't run.



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  6. rimrocker

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    Duncan Hunter officially in today.

    Man, the Repub debates are going to be fun to watch. All the "real" conservatives will gang up on McCain and Rudy.
     
  7. weslinder

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    I would suggest to your friend that there is a Republican candidate that is much more similar to Clinton than Romney. Huckabee is very likable guy, good speaker, not an ideologue, and he's got the same kind of common-sense approach to government that Clinton did. Oh yeah, and there's that whole Governor of Arkansas thing. Romney's voting record would put him right in the middle of the Democratic Party. He's a good guy, but he's too far left to be a legitimate challenger for the Republican nomination.
     
  8. Deckard

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    I like Huckabee. Don't agree with all his positions, not that there is any candidate from either party that fits that description, lol, but he's a good guy. I have to say, however, that my friend has very strong opinions, even compared to my own. I have no influence over who he likes, and doesn't like. :)

    He was down to Austin recently, and surprised me by saying he was strongly in favor of Edwards getting the Democratic nod, and would vote for him if he did. This is a guy who holds a lot of conservative positions, and as I said earlier, votes GOP more often than not. (although not this past Fall) I found it interesting. BTW, he HATES Hillary. Just hates her. Is interested in Obama, but says he just doesn't know enough about him. Has an open mind.

    I think part of the appeal Edwards has for him is a similar background. My friend grew up in a working class family, worked for 7 years at Hughes Tool as a machinist, and decided it was a dead end. He went through UT in 3 years, got accepted to Harvard, got an MBA, and has been highly successful in finance. IPOs and investing stocks. A real "pulled up by the bootstraps" kind of guy, the kind some people think America can't produce anymore.



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  9. langal

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    LOL. that's a good point.

    Well you see Rudy wears glasses so that means he's smart.

    Seriously though - it might be an age issue as well as a race issue. Rudy is older and have been in the news a lot longer than Obama so the perception of experience may be there - even if it is not true.
     
  10. Desert Scar

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    As a non-Republican, Giuliani is my choice. Not that I really like him, seems like the least bad. I will say he wouldn't be running on a major political record and he is most popular for post 9/11 soundbites than political or policy achievements.

    Not that he is all bad (e.g., immigration) but McCain for the most part is pretty conservative (including socially), and I find him increasingly disingenuous and a panderer. He is the greatest thing in his own mind.
     
  11. bejezuz

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    You folks really think that the Republicans would nominate a pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage, pro-stem cell research, twice-divorced Catholic New Yorker for President of the United States?

    Who's his running mate, Flavor Flav?

    Vote Giuliani/Flav in '08, Boooooooyyyyeeee!
     
  12. mc mark

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    ...on the republican candidates. --

    But let's run down the current crop in the GOP '08 field:

    "Lecherous adulterer" = Rudy Giuliani, now the leading Republican in national polls.

    "Egomaniacal nut job" = John McCain, whose candidacy is collapsing.

    "Flip-flopping opportunist with the perfect hair" = Mitt Romney, as slippery and slick as they come.

    "Guy who hates brown people" = Tom Tancredo, who merits no comment.

    "Guy we've never heard of" = Duncan Hunter, the kick off swiftboater of Jack Murtha.

    "Buy who has a better chance of getting hit by a meteor" = Sam Brownback, who makes you long for Bob Dole.

    The one guy who could rev up moderate Republicans and independents will not be considered. His name is Chuck Hagel. That's fine with me, but it's once again proof that the ideological wingnut base is killing the Republican Party.

    The '08 lemons have even lost Rush.

    Contemplating the current field of Republican presidential candidates, Rush Limbaugh sounded like a man with malaise.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/the-republican-lemons-of-_b_40095.html
     
  13. basso

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    if the ideological nutjobs are killing the party, whu is rudy leading all national republican polls?

    the comment is nonsensical.
     
  14. texanskan

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    A McCain/Rudy or Rudy/McCain ticket would win in a landslide. They appeal enough to the base and are the "swing" voters ideal republicans. Also neither belive the world is 5,000 years old like some do.
     
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    Because the primaries haven't started yet and he hasn't had to make the pilgrammage to Bob Jones University.
     
  16. basso

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    you're underestimating the depth of rudy's support.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    True, I know he, like the war in Iraq, can count on a groundswell of posts from you. I would be wise to not underestimate that.
     
  18. nyquil82

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    because those polls are done by telephone and most of the voting ideological republicans are not yet advanced enough to own a telephone. Or they think it's the devil.
     
  19. mc mark

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    you mean support like this? From today's New York Daily News...

    Myth has made the man

    Wednesday, January 31st, 2007

    Rudy Giuliani runs for President, if he runs, from the same place where George Bush still tries to run his war in Iraq - from the rubble and ashes of Sept. 11.

    Giuliani doesn't run from any city he still governs, or any state, or even from the U.S. Senate. He runs from a place called Sept. 11, and you would, too.

    Giuliani runs, if he runs, from a job to which he was never elected, just appointed. Or perhaps anointed. It's the job of America's Mayor, and it is the best job he is ever going to have, one with which he can have a longer run than a Supreme Court justice if he plays his cards right.

    When you are the mythical mayor of America, instead of a declared candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the United States, it means nobody wants to talk about what kind of mayor of New York City you were before Sept. 11, 2001. That is a real good thing for Giuliani.

    There are a lot of reasons why Giuliani should quit while he is ahead in some of the polls, but the best is this: the inevitable collision between some of the myths that have grown up around him in the last six years and the facts.

    If the other guys in the race just let him run on Sept. 11, let that be the only thing in play - "It really is all people see," one veteran Democrat said last weekend in New Hampshire - then he wins the nomination. Only it doesn't work that way, not in a world where everything is in play, and where the whole process, with each passing election, becomes dumber than Britney Spears.

    The only thing Giuliani has run since leaving office is the booming franchise of Giuliani. He has written a huge best seller and made a small fortune giving speeches all over the world. He has run a lucrative consulting business, one that enables him to fly down to a place like Mexico City for a few days, explain to them how they can reduce the crime rate and then he pockets big change.

    Only now he sounds as if he is talking himself into making a run for the nomination it is hard to see him ever getting, one that is hard to see him ever getting from the yahoos in his party, even if he is ahead in some polls the way Hillary Clinton is ahead, mostly for being famous.

    But Giuliani ought to ask himself how he gets the nomination of a right-wing, red-state party with his positions in favor of stem-cell research and gun control and gay civil marriages and abortion. If he really does make his run, how do those views play on the Dick Cheney news channels, or in the Church of the Religious Right?

    Giuliani ought to ask how long he will be on the stump before everybody starts banging away at him with Bernard Kerik, his police commissioner and former business partner, someone Giuliani thought would be a tremendous head of Homeland Security after turning the job down himself. Kerik is another one who wants you to think he cleaned up crime in New York City all by himself, another guy with a badge who thought the law applied to everybody except him.

    Kerik will be in play the way Giuliani's second wife, Donna Hanover, and the way she found out about the breakup of her marriage on television, will be in play. So will the whole subject of race relations in the city during Giuliani's time running it. And even the conditions under which the rescue workers worked at Ground Zero.

    Did Giuliani find the best in himself during those first days after the planes flew into our buildings? He did. He did his job and, in doing that job, got carried along by the best in the city, as if he was one of the ironworkers who came walking over the bridge from Stuyvesant High School that first afternoon, coming from everywhere, carrying their tools in leather bags, the ones who told the police, "We're here to work."

    And when the police asked them how that day, the ironworkers said, "We cut steel, you're gonna need us." And kept walking towards the ruins of the World Trade Center.

    When people see Giuliani now, they see that. They see it all, with Giuliani in the foreground. They see the city getting up, slowly at first, then defiantly. The life of the city changed forever that day. So did Giuliani's. No longer was he a man with a complicated life running the world's most complicated city. He was seen as a hero.

    America's Mayor. He runs, if he runs, from there. And if it was only that, if how you did that day and in the days to follow, he wins. It isn't the only issue. There are a lot of them with Rudy Giuliani and always were and always will be.

    He never ran for the Senate in the end; he never ran for governor. Now the yes-men he's always had around him tell him he can get the nomination for President. It would be easy if it were all Sept. 11, 2001. The problem for Giuliani is Sept. 10.

    New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
     
  20. rodrick_98

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    no word on how he would do, if he does get the nomination...

    most of those red states that it talks about in the article, will squirm and vote for him rather than another democrat drone.
     

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