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[2008] Republicans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. mc mark

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    Oh man! That's gotta hurt! --

    Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

    ABC News' George Stephanopoulos Reports: Though often regarded as a longshot candidate for president, Republican Ron Paul tells ABC News that he has an impressive $2.4 million in cash on hand after raising an equal amount during the second quarter, putting him ahead of one-time Republican frontrunner John McCain, who reported this week he has only $2 million in the bank.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html
     
  2. weslinder

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    Amazing what real conservatism will do for you.
     
  3. insane man

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    than pray explain rudy's bank account.
     
  4. weslinder

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    Mob connections help, too.
     
  5. Major

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    True, if your goal is to get 1% of the vote, I guess. :confused: All it tells me is that if you don't spend what little money you raise, you can successfully stay in last place.
     
  6. weslinder

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    I was specifically talking about ability to not spend himself out the race completely. Besides, Paul will gain ground after McCain is out.
     
  7. Major

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    He's already out of the race completely. He's not going to gain ground, now or after anyone else drops out. Like it or not, he's the GOP version of Dennis Kucinich - he's just running to make a point.
     
  8. Achilleus

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  9. jo mama

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    fear mongering will get you pretty far too!
     
  10. Deckard

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    Was that a joke?



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  11. weslinder

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    A very unfunny one.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Wow! Tancredo is really moving up the charts. He jumped 102 rankings in 1 poll. :)
     
  13. jo mama

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    wasnt his dad a mob lawyer? a sort of tom hagen?

    EDIT: actually, he wasnt a mob lawyer - he was an 'enforcer' and a criminal (learn something new everyday!)

    http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/poy2001/poyprofile.html
    By conventional standards, Harold Giuliani was not a great man. In 1934, at age 26, he was arrested for robbing a milkman at gunpoint in the vestibule of a Manhattan apartment building. A court-appointed psychiatrist diagnosed him as an "aggressive, egocentric type." He served a year and a half, then went to work as a bartender and enforcer for his brother-in-law Leo D'Avanzo's loan-sharking operation, according to court documents and eyewitness accounts uncovered by Giuliani biographer Barrett. In 1944, Harold's wife Helen, a smart, serious-minded woman (still living but suffering from senility), gave birth to Rudy, their only child.

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0027,barrett,16192,1.html
    On April 12, in the case of People v. Harold Giuliani indicted as Joseph Starrett, Giuliani was charged with four felonies: robbery in the first degree, assault in the first degree, grand larceny in the second degree, and criminally receiving stolen property.

    The crime occurred on April 2, 1934, at 12:05 p.m. in the unlit first-floor corridor of a 10-family residential building at 130 East 96th Street in Manhattan. Shortly before noon, Harold Giuliani and an accomplice positioned themselves in shadowy recesses near the stairwell. Within 10 or 15 minutes Harold Hall, a milkman for Borden's Farms, entered the building to make routine payment collections. As he began to make his way up the stairs, Giuliani emerged from the shadows and, according to the indictment, pressed the muzzle of a pistol against Hall's stomach. "You know what it is," he reportedly said. He forced the man into a nook behind the stairwell, where his counterpart was waiting. The other man plunged his hand into Hall's pants pocket and fished out $128.82 in cash.

    As Giuliani's accomplice frantically stuffed the money into his own pockets, either he or Giuliani—or both—commanded Hall to "pull down your pants."

    Hall refused.

    Giuliani grabbed Hall's pants and yanked them down to his ankles. He told Hall to sit down. He grabbed the man's hands, pulled them behind his back and bound them with cord. Squatting, his back to the wall, Giuliani leaned over his victim and began tying his feet together. Before he was finished, a police officer, Edward Schmitt, burst in the front door of the building.

    "Throw them up!" yelled Schmitt. Giuliani obeyed.

    His accomplice, who, at this point, had the gun and the money, fled down the stairs to the basement and escaped onto the street.

    Schmitt collared Giuliani and took him to the 23rd Precinct. The officer later told the judge assigned to that case that he had been "tipped off by a citizen that a couple of fellows were hanging around 130 East 96th Street for about half an hour, and he finally saw them going into the hallway. After they went in, a milkman went in, and the citizen suspected that there was something wrong and he called me and told me about it."

    Although Giuliani's family didn't have the means to help him, he had friends with resources. Three days after he was arrested, a man named Valentine Spielman put up $5000 to bail him out. Spielman listed his address as 351 East 60th in Manhattan.

    On April 19, a week after the indictment was filed, Hall changed his statement, telling a markedly different story. This time, he said it was Giuliani's accomplice who had pressed the gun to his stomach and said, "You know what it is."

    During a hearing on May 23, Louis Capozzoli, an assistant district attorney, told the judge that Hall altered his story only after he was threatened. "This milkman tried to change his statement," noted Capozzoli, "after he was visited at about four o'clock that morning by several people who threatened him. Then he said he thought this fellow [Giuliani] ought to get a break."

    Hall's coerced reversal may have been effective in reducing his assailant's prison time. On May 9, before Judge Owen Bohan in the Court of General Sessions, Giuliani switched his plea to guilty. He was allowed, in light of Hall's altered statement, to plead to one count of armed robbery in the third degree. While still a serious felony conviction, armed robbery drew less prison time than a guilty plea on any one of the original charges.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7DA1638F934A35754C0A9669C8B63
    Mr. Barrett, citing an unnamed family friend, also writes that Mr. Giuliani's father was for a time a bat-wielding enforcer of a loansharking and gambling operation run by his brother-in-law Leo D'Avanzo, who was Mr. Giuliani's uncle. In addition, Mr. Barrett cites F.B.I. documents to assert that Mr. Giuliani's first cousin, Lewis D'Avanzo, was a ''ruthless and widely feared mob associate in charge of a massive stolen car ring,'' who was killed by F.B.I. agents in Brooklyn in 1977.
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    wow - guiliani really has it going on - not only is he a pro-choice, pro-gun control, 3 times divorced (one of his wives was his 2nd cousin) transvestite whom the nyfd totally hates for the way he treated them after 9/11, but his father was also a criminal! he is obviously the clear choice for the republican nomination.
     
  14. A_3PO

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    That's the kind of stuff the Republican right wing will throw repeatedly at Rudy if/when he looks prohibitive to get the nomination. They will scorch the Earth before letting him get the nod.
     
  15. Deckard

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    I had heard of the history of his father, but just figure that everyone has skeletons in their closet, and if nothing has directly tainted the former New York mayor, then judge him on what his own record is. And based on that, I wouldn't vote for him.



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  16. ROXRAN

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    Yeah, that is important, and I don't think people focus enough on voting records,...For ex., Kerry the idiot tried to portray himself as gun friendly, but his voting record stated far from it...It was silly to see him decked in hunting clothes to mask the record.

    It goes both ways,....focus on the voting record says more than what politicians say...ON BOTH sides...
     
  17. mc mark

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    BREAKING: John McCain's campaign manager and top strategist announce they are leaving the campaign, only a week after disappointing fundraising figures led to across-the-board staff cuts.

    [edit] I find the timing curious as McCain is delivering a speech on the floor of the Senate this morning after just returning from Iraq. I'll be interesting to hear what he has to say.
     
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    Again, McCain's a dead man walking.

    Curiously, there is still no viable candidate that would compel the Republican Party to a new direction. All the leaders are trying to tack right of Bush and Paul has no chance. This was McCain's opportunity, but he blew it big time. The only option for Republicans tired of the current state of the Republican Party is Hagel, should he deign to get in.

    Also, did anyone else catch this story about Fred Thompson?

    Not only was he dumb, he was a mole for Nixon!

     
  19. mc mark

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    The hits keep coming for McCain --


    Today, Ed Failor and Karen Slifka -- two prominent Iowa Republican activists -- resigned from the campaign.

    In an e-mail Failor said he and Slifka had agreed to stay with the campaign on a volunteer basis after reports that McCain's was lagging in fundraising, but he said the dismissal of campaign manager Terry Nelson meant that they had to break all ties to the campaign.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/07/mccain_iowa_team_hit_by_resign.html
     
  20. Achilleus

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    Wasn't Kerry in this sort of turmoil when he fired Jim Jordan and brought in Mary Beth Cahill ? I think it was even later in the campaign.

    How is the primary calendar different this time? Is New Hampshire still the state after Iowa? Everything seems to be happening so quickly...
     

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