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[2008] Democrats

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

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    you're absolutely correct BaPLAGIARIsso!
     
  2. thumbs

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    Also, don't forget that Richardson has experience running a bureaucracy as governor of New Mexico as well as high-level international experience. Also, like Obama, he is a gifted speaker but with Hispanic roots.
     
  3. Cohen

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    I'm not a Dem either, but I'd vote for Obama.
     
  4. Deckard

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    I would be interested in Richardson, if he runs. I have an open mind. There is something about a gifted, intelligent, well educated charismatic speaker that gets to me, however, and that's what Obama is, experienced or not. Jack, and even more so, Bobby Kennedy had that. (more so because he had more "bottom" IMO)

    You can't learn it. Either you have it, or you don't, in my opinion. I really like that ability in a politician. Having policies you agree with counts for a lot, obviously, but being able to articulate them and lead the nation towards a goal is also important. Reagan also had that ability, although I didn't a belief in his policies, in the main. Bush has the charisma of a stump, and the intelligence of a pet rock.



    D&D. Rocks are Hard.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree, and I think in a general election that more than any stance on issues, or canddidate's practical experience is what will actually win it.

    That may not be the ideal way we wish the electorate would vote, but it is the way it has gone over and over again.
     
  6. mc mark

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    I have a feeling this poll is a little skewed :p

    (100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D)
    (84%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D)
    (81%) 3: Sen. John Kerry (D)
    (80%) 4: Ex-VP Al Gore (D)
    (76%) 5: Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
    (76%) 6: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D)
    (73%) 7: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D)
    (73%) 8: Sen. Joseph Biden (D)
    (72%) 9: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D)
    (69%) 10: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D)
    (69%) 11: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
    (65%) 12: Gov. Mitt Romney (R)
    (65%) 13: Gov. George Pataki (R)
    (60%) 14: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R)
    (57%) 15: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R)
    (53%) 16: Sen. George Allen (R)
    (53%) 17: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R)
    (50%) 18: Sen. John McCain (R)
    (47%) 19: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R)
    (46%) 20: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R)
    (44%) 21: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R)
    (43%) 22: Sen. Sam Brownback (R)
    (28%) 23: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R)
    (0%) 24: Sen. Russ Feingold (D) Withdrew from race.
     
  7. Rule0001

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    Your results for "Presidential Candidate Selector -- 2008 Front Runners"
    URL: http://SelectSmart.com/plus/select.php?url=08frontrunners

    Rank Item
    (100%) 1: Sen. George Allen (R) Information
    (94%) 2: Sen. Sam Brownback (R) Information
    (90%) 3: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) Information
    (90%) 4: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) Information
    (84%) 5: Gov. George Pataki (R) Information
    (84%) 6: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) Information
    (84%) 7: Sen. John McCain (R) Information
    (80%) 8: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R) Information
    (74%) 9: Gov. Mitt Romney (R) Information
    (70%) 10: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R) Information
    (68%) 11: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) Information
    (66%) 12: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) Information
    (50%) 13: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
    (44%) 14: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
    (42%) 15: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
    (42%) 16: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
    (40%) 17: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
    (38%) 18: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
    (36%) 19: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
    (34%) 20: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
    (34%) 21: Sen. John Kerry (D) Information
    (26%) 22: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
    (20%) 23: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
    (0%) 24: Sen. Russ Feingold (D) Withdrew from race.
     
  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    (100%) 1: Sen. George Allen (R) Information
    (87%) 2: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R) Information
    (83%) 3: Sen. John McCain (R) Information
    (82%) 4: Sen. Sam Brownback (R) Information
    (81%) 5: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R) Information
    (81%) 6: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) Information
    (77%) 7: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) Information
    (72%) 8: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) Information
    (69%) 9: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) Information
    (65%) 10: Gov. Mitt Romney (R) Information
    (62%) 11: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) Information
    (62%) 12: Gov. George Pataki (R) Information
    (54%) 13: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
    (52%) 14: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
    (52%) 15: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
    (48%) 16: Sen. John Kerry (D) Information
    (46%) 17: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
    (43%) 18: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
    (41%) 19: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
    (40%) 20: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
    (39%) 21: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
    (32%) 22: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
    (29%) 23: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
    (0%) 24: Sen. Russ Feingold (D) Withdrew from race.
     
  9. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    (100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
    (97%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
    (96%) 3: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
    (94%) 4: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
    (91%) 5: Sen. John Kerry (D) Information
    (85%) 6: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
    (83%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
    (81%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
    (81%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
    (79%) 10: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
    (72%) 11: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
    (50%) 12: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) Information
    (50%) 13: Gov. Mitt Romney (R) Information
    (45%) 14: Gov. George Pataki (R) Information
    (42%) 15: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R) Information
    (41%) 16: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) Information
    (33%) 17: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R) Information
    (31%) 18: Sen. John McCain (R) Information
    (21%) 19: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) Information
    (19%) 20: Sen. George Allen (R) Information
    (17%) 21: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) Information
    (14%) 22: Sen. Sam Brownback (R) Information
    (14%) 23: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) Information
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Hillary's in and Richardson's getting in tomorrow. These debates are going to be crowded as hell.
     
  11. mc mark

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    What fun!

    Bats any thoughts on a possible independent run by anybody?
     
  12. Batman Jones

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    I'm sure you've heard the noise about Bloomberg. I tend to think there's not room for him or any other moderate candidate in this race, as the likely nominees will be relatively moderate or will at least be likeable enough that relatively extreme ideology will be forgiven and forgotten.

    Depending on who the nominees are I think there might be room for an extreme third party candidate. If McCain or (somehow) Guiliani got the GOP nod, I could see a religious right candidate emerging. If Hillary or (somehow) Biden was the Dem I could see another Nader-like thing going down. And there's always the possibility of a Ron Paul or Bob Barr libertarian bid, assuming Paul's not in the GOP race.

    If there is a third-party candidate (or more than one), I think it could have a profound impact on the race -- that's assuming the GOP can get its groove back in time to make for a tight race, which I think they can. But I definitely don't see a third-party candidate having any serious shot at breaking 10%.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Some of those questions were worded with very liberal-leaning language. As expected, Balack Obama was in last place. He is EXTREMELY liberal, and a threat to all Americans.

    100%) 1: Sen. George Allen (R) Information
    (91%) 2: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) Information
    (83%) 3: Gov. George Pataki (R) Information
    (81%) 4: Sen. John McCain (R) Information
    (80%) 5: Gov. Mitt Romney (R) Information
    (80%) 6: Sen. Sam Brownback (R) Information
    (79%) 7: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R) Information
    (73%) 8: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) Information
    (73%) 9: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R) Information
    (72%) 10: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
    (71%) 11: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) Information
    (69%) 12: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) Information
    (63%) 13: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
    (62%) 14: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
    (60%) 15: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
    (59%) 16: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
    (56%) 17: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) Information
    (53%) 18: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
    (53%) 19: Sen. John Kerry (D) Information
    (51%) 20: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
    (50%) 21: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
    (43%) 22: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
    (36%) 23: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
    (0%) 24: Sen. Russ Feingold (D) Withdrew from race.
     
  14. leroy

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    I'm leaning towards Obama right now. New blood is what we need. I'd personally love to see an Obama/Richardson ticket. The combination seems natural to me. Richardson has the expierence of running a government and foreign policy expertise. Add that to him being hispanic and you have a very formidable ticket. Failing that, I would take Edwards, too. I wouldn't be suprised to see Clinton dropping out sometime around South Carolina.

    I just don't see a strong enough republican right now. It's amazing how that's changed over the last year. I can see Hagel winning the nomination. I think McCain has completely sold out and that is a damn shame.

    Serious question...Can you seriously vote for someone named "Mitt"?
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    if he was in the senate for 12 years, people would hold it against obama saying he would be part of the same old tired regime.
     
  16. rimbaud

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    That is true. Not to mention they are all ridiculously superficial.

    It is still interesting that Hillary was your #1 Dem, though. You guys should have an affair and make non-Bill-ified babies. It could be your ultimate Slick Willy revenge.
     
  17. rimrocker

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    I guess it depends on how you read your chart... from here, it looks like Allen is the one in last place.
     
  18. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Hillary is going to score well amongst Repubs taking that survey (though for most of us not as well as she did for The_Conquistador), though we would probably not choose her if we were going to vote Democrat.
     
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    Percent Rank Item
    (100%) 1: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
    (95%) 2: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
    (93%) 3: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
    (87%) 4: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
    (83%) 5: Sen. John Kerry (D) Information
    (75%) 6: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
    (73%) 7: Gov. George Pataki (R) Information
    (73%) 8: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
    (73%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
    (72%) 10: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
    (67%) 11: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
    (66%) 12: Gov. Mitt Romney (R) Information
    (64%) 13: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
    (58%) 14: Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) Information
    (47%) 15: Ex-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R) Information
    (38%) 16: Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) Information
    (36%) 17: Sen. John McCain (R) Information
    (35%) 18: Sec. Condoleezza Rice (R) Information
    (30%) 19: Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) Information
    (27%) 20: Sen. George Allen (R) Information
    (21%) 21: Sen. Sam Brownback (R) Information
    (18%) 22: Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) Information
    (12%) 23: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) Information
     
  20. windfern

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    Clinton-Obama.
     

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