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[2008] Democrats

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

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    I think this poll shows in stark contrast how liberal this message board is. Barely anyone voted for the "mainstream" candidate, Hillary.
     
  2. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    i would argue that it shows how smart the message board is. people are fed up with the bushs and the clintons and want some fresh blood.

    just because the mainstream media has already anointed hillary as the next president doesnt mean we have to go along with it.

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    RON PAUL
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  3. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Great new ad from Obama!

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  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Naive.
     
  5. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Sorry that you are too jaded and cynical to hear what he's saying.
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    There is no depth to him at all. He's all superficial. Did you watch the debates? He got routed.
     
  7. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    30 second sound bites really isn't his style.
     
  8. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Here's a good article from of a columnist of the Houston Chronicle, via RealClearPolitics. It points out pretty well the disconnect between the Republican Party and Americans, and how the Democratic Party speaks to what matters...



    September 29, 2007

    Democrats the Party of 'Normal Americans'

    By Froma Harrop

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    DAVENPORT, Iowa -- One of Newt Gingrich's favorite verbal firebombs was calling Democrats "the enemies of normal Americans." We will ignore the nasty code contained in the former GOP House speaker's remark. But suffice it to say, Democrats used to spend much time catering to narrow interest groups at the expense of the middle-class masses.

    That was then, and then is clearly not now.

    Democrats have emerged as champions of horse sense and competent governance. And they're on the offensive, accusing Republicans of downright weirdness in their fiscal recklessness and seeming obsession with the interests of the richest few.

    Nowhere was this turning of tables more evident than at a recent AARP forum on health care and economic security held in this scenic city on the Mississippi River. Smack in the middle of Middle America, five Democratic presidential hopefuls ridiculed the Republican leadership and promised to put ordinary Americans back on Washington's agenda.

    They made no specifically racial appeals or references to sexual matters. Iraq was only briefly discussed -- mostly in terms of what the money spent on that unnecessary war could have bought at home. And the Democrats' audience went well beyond Iowa caucus voters. Iowa is a battleground state. A third of the electorate here identifies as independents, and they've been strongly trending Democratic.

    The candidates jumped on the outrages against working folk that were allowed to flourish in the Bush era. Delaware Sen. Joe Biden suggested a way for government to protect private pensions. Citing American Airlines' decision to "wipe out" its workers' pensions while giving top executives $100 million in bonuses, Biden proposed: "I'd change the bankruptcy code to say, hey, look, you go ahead and take away a pension, you lose all those benefits, you, the CEOs, are going to have. ... You'll change their minds quickly."

    New York Sen. Hillary Clinton on Social Security: "When my husband left office with a balanced budget and a surplus, the projection was that Social Security was solvent until 2055. ... Now after seven years of President Bush and an irresponsible Republican Congress, the life of the Social Security Trust fund has been cut to 2041. We've lost 14 years in seven years because of their fiscal irresponsibility."

    Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards talked of setting a 36 percent interest cap on the notorious payday loans. "They charge 300, 400, 500 percent!" he said. "They're preying on our most vulnerable families."

    On the subject of predatory lending, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson addressed the mortgage crisis. "I'm blaming the president," he said. "I'm blaming a situation where mortgage lenders, because they're not regulated, they've become loan sharks."

    Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd joined the others in blasting Republicans for not letting Medicare negotiate drug prices. "That would have saved $330 billion," he said. "Just that one provision alone would have done a lot to shore up the cost of Medicare.

    Iowa Democrats are echoing this righteous anger over what they see as the Bush con job. "All my life, I've heard of tax-and-spend Democrats, tax-and-spend Democrats," Mike Liebbe, a party activist, told me. "Why don't I hear that now?"


    While Bush was the target, he made his own contribution to the discussion from Washington. After nearly seven years of spending like there's no tomorrow, he finally decided to draw the line: He vowed to veto the expansion of government health coverage for children of the working poor.

    Well, like the French Revolution before it, Gingrich's so-called conservative revolution was eventually taken over by bizarre ideology. That leaves Democrats fired up and unapologetic. And they are happily selling themselves as the best friends normal Americans ever had.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/democrats_the_party_of_normal.html



    D&D. Impeach Mr. Bush and His Dog.
     
  9. mc mark

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    Froma Harrop?

    Sounds like one of those A-rabs.
     
  10. wnes

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    Is it used to be a poll?

    I guess the crash last weekend must've erased it.
     
  11. Deckard

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    Froma Harrop is a nationally syndicated columnist based at The Providence Journal, in Rhode Island. Her subscribers include The Seattle Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Denver Post, Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, Detroit News and Newark Star-Ledger. She is a member of the Providence Journal editorial board.

    Editor & Publisher named Harrop’s column one of its “Features of the Year” for 2003. She received an award from the National Society of Newspaper Columnists in 2001, and first prize for editorial writing from the New England Associated Press Newspaper Executives Association in 2002.

    Harrop began her career as a financial writer at Reuters Ltd., in New York. She later worked as a business editor at The New York Times News Service. Harrop has written for such diverse publications as The New York Times, Harper's Bazaar and Institutional Investor. Her columns appear in several book anthologies.

    Born in New York City, Harrop grew up on Long Island. She received a bachelor's degree from New York University and has done graduate work at Brown University. Harrop divides her time between Providence and New York.


    http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x4985.xml



    D&D. Impeach Bush and His Dog.
     
  12. mc mark

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    Quick question --

    Should Richardson give up his presidential run and go for the senate seat being vacated by Domenici?
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Yes, though I would prefer to see Udall.

    In other news, this was in the NYTimes today...

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  14. Zac D

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    God yes. He's not going to get the nomination, and I'm 99% sure no one's going to pick him as their VP because of his penchant for saying silly things and then justifying by saying he's not "the blow-dried consultant rock-star candidate." That's fine, Bill, but you're still not allowed to sound dumb. I have no doubt he could more than hold his own on strictly New Mexican issues - he has to have done something right to get so popular there - but he seems awfully likely to get reamed in a national debate with a competent Republican candidate (which is, granted, difficult to find).
     
  15. thumbs

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    Not yet. The big three -- Hillary, Obama and Edwards -- all have serious chinks in their armor. I am praying the American public will rise up and say "We're tired of the same-old same-old" and go for someone with broader vision and actual international experience.

    The same holds true for the Republican frontrunner Giuliani. The rest are incompetent to dangerous with the exception of Mike Huckabee.

    Huckabee vs. Richardson would be fun, and I don't think America could lose in that race. Both of these candidates have the passion, articulation and vision to be President.
     
  16. deepblue

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    Looks like someone dropped a dime on Edwards in the national enquirer. My guess is Obama.

    Mind you its the enquirer, so take it with a grain of salt. The timing is very interesting though.

     
  17. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Not sure which fatally flawed candidate I'd prefer to see come out of the liberal pigpen next year... Mrs Fat Thighs, power hungry manipulator, cuss out my own security detail, carpetbagging, hasn't had sex in two decades Clinton, or Mr I can't beat George W Bush so all I'm left with is this environmentalist claptrap.


    GOOD DAY
     
  18. mc mark

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    A quality addition to the discussion. :rolleyes:
     
  19. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Care to share the reason you think Obama would do something like this?
     
  20. mc mark

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    not gonna happen rim --

     

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