2006 Western Conference Semifinals - Spurs vs. Mavs

You pretty much proved my point. There were bad calls both ways. If you are willing to justify the calls that went against the Mavericks, why don't you try to justify those that went for them?

I think you need to go back and watch the Terry foul again. Terry pump faked, Manu went for it, then Terry went up for a shot and there was contact that caused the ball to go out of bounds. Manu made a mistake and paid for it. Terry was definitely putting up a shot.

Josh Howard was running straight and Manu ran in front of him. There was absolutely nothing Howard could have done about it. That was definitely a cheaper foul. However, both were called and both should have been called.

It is funny to hear you guys complaining about the Terry foul though since Sam Cassell used to do it every game when he was playing for the Rockets. I wonder if you were complaining about it then.

 

THE SPURS SUCK.
THE MAVERICKS SUCK.

Go Clippers!!

 

The Mavs are good enough to win it all this year.

Too bad.

 

i am going to vomit if the mavs win the title. i cant stand cuban or dirk. dirk is a pansy, and always has that same dumb ass expresion on his face

 

I cant take it either. I hate the Mavs, but dont want SA to win again. I am pulling for the Clippers this year, but dallas might win. Come on Cassell!

 

screw the mavs and spurs....hopefully, clips can go all the way

i'd be happy with sa and dal beating up on each other to make it easier for whoever they face next

i just want anybody other than dallas and sa to win

also, nba refs are the worst out off all the officials in any professional sport and its hillarious, to the nba they're above criticism too...there are such high standards for players and coaches, but not for officials

on a lighter note, i thought this was pretty funny:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?s...cb1.spurs_mavericks_basketball_dna125&prov=AP

i think tp missed those free too...lol

 

mabey someone from the east can come in and win again......... as long as its not the pistons, their players are wayyyyyyyyy to cocky.

 

Yes they're, and they have been for a while now but no one seems to notice. they've been one of the most consistently good teams in the league for the past couple of seasons. They were a terrific team last season as well, but I firmly believe that they lost to the Suns because they were worn out by the Rockets in that 7 game series. Still, the Suns team from last season was pretty darn good as well, so nothing to sneaze at there.

Dallas, Pheonix, and San Antonio will be contenders for the next 2-3 years if they are at full strength (i.e. healthy). Out of the three teams, I think Dallas has the best future because their integral parts are younger, and their younger players haven't even played their best ball yet.

Right now, even with Yao and T-Mac at full strength and tearin' up the league, the Rockets are NOT a championship contender without a serious overhaul of their supporting cast.

San Antonio -- even if they can't win it all this year, it's not like anyone expects them to be in the finals every single season -- still has a bright future because their three main horses (Duncan, Parker, and Genobili) are either in their prime years or are yet to reach that, and they already have the experience and a few championships under their belt.

Pheonix, IMO, are the 'wildcard', because they seem to be heavily dependent on Steve Nash to run the type of system they employ. Nash isn't that young anymore, and he's been struggling more and more with his bad back in the past two seasons. His health and longevity will be key to the Suns' future success. Another sticking issue is Amare, not sure if he can continue to play like he used to with two bad knees now. His game has been pure power-based and it's ALREADY taken its toll on his knees, I strongly doubt he will continue to play the same way once he's back, so now we should be able to see whether or not Amare can dedicate himself to developing some finesse to his game.

 

Contact that caused the ball to go out of bounds? Terry pretty much jumped backwards into his man and threw the ball up with the sole intention of getting the call. How did the ball go backwards, all the way out of bounds, if his defender was behind him? I'm not sure if it's even physically possible if he was really shooting the ball. Karl Malone-esque cheap play if I've ever seen one.

And about Manu running in front on Howard: Howard pulled the same cheap stunt against us a couple times last year, so it's only fair he gets called for it as well.

On a side note, how many years will it take to fix his teeth? Sure, his mouth will always be huge and ugly, but if I have to see those braces for another year I'm going to poke my own eyes out.

 

Dallas aint gonna win anything this year...San Antonio just isn't as good as they were in the past

 

If you are going up for a shot and someone slaps your hand off the ball, it is easy to see how it is possible for the ball to go behind you.

Like I said before, it was a foul on Howard. How can you use that logic with Howard but you can't seem to use it with Manu?

I don't know. I have been wondering the same thing.

 

The last two games were basically handed to the Mavs. The Mavs looked like they were going to choke in game 3, but the refs put them on the line almost every trip down near the end of the game. And last night, the Bowen foul on Dirk was ridiculous. You need to let players make a shot to decide the game, unless the foul is obvious. Dirk initiated the contact by backing into Bowen. That was just a weak call. I'm not a Spurs fan, but I can't help but root for them after the calls that have went against them in this series.

 

You won't be the only one puking I'll be right there with you. I can't stand Cuban or Dirk. Dirk is so soft he shoud be forced to wear a dress on the court. I'd love to see Dirk try to defend Duncan instead of hiding behind Diop and Dampier all night. Here's to rooting against the Mavs!

 

Not with that velocity. If a shooter, especially one with good form like Terry, is going up for a real shot, getting hacked on the arm on the way up will usually result in the ball going straight up. The video, which has been removed from nba.com for some reason, shows Terry bringing the ball up in a way that is different from his normal shooting motion. It is a motion similar to the one someone would make if they were throwing the ball backwards over the head.

Of course, none of that really matters because the replay also shows that the only contact on the play was Manu brushing Terry's shoulder as he flew by. It was a smart play by Terry, however cheap it may be. He sold the call well. It was a good foul-drawing manuever, but certainly not a legit shot attempt. I don't really see any reason to deny it. Why attempt a shot if you can ensure a foul call with some other method?

 

why don't you justify the calls that went for the Mavs? maybe you can convince me how you say that the refs made calls evenly throughout the game. IMO, it was not even. like I said, the calls made in favor of the Mavs were more controversial and more game-impacting than the ones in favor for the Spurs.

personally, I don't really care about the Manu foul on Terry or the Howard foul on Manu (I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it if it seemed like so as I thought they were both fouls, and I was just making comments on the particular plays you mentioned). However, I simply don't see how you can say the Spurs foul was cheaper than the Mavs foul. From what I remember Manu gets the ball on the way to what COULD be a fast-break. He runs TOWARDS his basket in front of Howard and gets tripped up. The refs ALWAYS call that a foul. That shouldn't be of too much in question as I've seen fouls called for Dirk when he trips on his own feet. With the other play Terry pump-faked Manu, took a couple dribbles, looked back a couple of times, creates contact into Manu, and the ball ends up rows BACK AWAY from the basket. usually you pump-fake a defender that's in FRONT of you and shoot TOWARDS the basket

 

I can understand hating on the Mavs. They are like the Orcs in the LOTRs, ugly and powerful. Why hate the Mavs because they flop or gets love from the refs? Ginobili flops and Bowen kicks. Together they make a great Karl Malone. Both teams suck. I'd support whoever is weaker to win by luck because it's more likely for them to be trashed in the next round!

 

I think the refs gave Dallas the game, but I don't care either way. I like Cuban and his win at all costs attitude.

And I think the Spurs are getting beat by the same new rules that have hindered the Rockets.

Dirk flops, no question, I wish the NBA would award a foul to the floppers.

DD

 

i think in soccer the ref can give a card to someone who obviouly flops

 

I have justified calls both ways. I am just saying there were bad calls made both ways. The Spurs were given two extra possessions in the fourth quarter on bad calls. That could have been huge.

But overall, my point was to say that the refs didn't hand the Spurs the game. The refs never made a call that the Spurs couldn't recover from and the Spurs made more errors that resulted in them losing the game than the refs. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

 

Ahh yes, the "Spurs still had a chance" mantra.

How many clutch shots do the Spurs have to make?

Everytime they made one, the Mavs were awarded free-throws, and the Spurs were forced to make YET another - eventually they would miss one, at which point: Game Over. (BTW, one of there two most clutch players had fouled out at the end of each of those games where the Spurs "had a chance".