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2003 All-Big 12 team [coaches]

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  1. mduke

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    First Team Offense

    Tight End: Matt Herian, Nebraska, 6-5, 245, So., Pierce, Neb.
    Offensive Line: Nick Leckey, Kansas State, 6-4, 285, Sr., Grapevine, Texas; A.J. Ricker, Missouri, 6-4, 305, Sr., Klein, Texas; Jammal Brown, Oklahoma, 6-6, 313, Jr., Lawton, Okla.; Vince Carter, Oklahoma, 6-3, 289, Jr., Waco, Texas; Tillman Holloway, Texas, 6-3, 315, Sr., Basalt, Colo.
    Wide Receiver: Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State, 6-2, 190, Sr., Oklahoma City, Okla.; Mark Clayton, Oklahoma, 5-11, 187, Jr., Arlington, Texas
    Quarterback: Jason White, Oklahoma, 6-3, 221, Sr., Tuttle, Okla.
    Running Back: Darren Sproles, Kansas State, 5-7, 170, Jr., Olathe, Kan.; Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State, 5-11, 205, Sr., DeSoto, Texas
    Placekicker: Trey DiCarlo, Oklahoma, 6-0, 180, So., Carrollton, Texas
    Kick Returner: Wes Welker, Texas Tech, 5-9, 190, Sr., Oklahoma City, Okla.






    First Team Defense

    End/Outside Linebacker: Dan Cody, Oklahoma, 6-5, 270, Jr., Ada, Okla.; Greg Richmond, Oklahoma State, 6-2, 245, Sr., Oklahoma City, Okla.
    Interior Line: Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma, 6-3, 282, Jr., Lake Dallas, Texas; Tommie Harris, Oklahoma, 6-3, 289, Jr., Killeen, Texas; Marcus Tubbs, Texas, 6-4, 310, Sr., DeSoto, Texas
    Linebacker (tie in voting): Josh Buhl, Kansas State, 6-0, 210, Sr., Mesquite, Texas; Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma, 6-2, 243, Sr., Fort Gibson, Okla.; Derrick Johnson, Texas, 6-4, 230, Jr., Waco, Texas
    Defensive Back: Josh Bullocks, Nebraska, 6-1, 205, So., Chattanooga, Tenn.; Derrick Strait, Oklahoma, 5-11, 195, Sr., Austin, Texas; Darrent Williams, Oklahoma State, 5-9, 175, Jr., Ft. Worth, Texas; Nathan Vasher, Texas, 5-11, 180, Texarkana, Texas
    Punter: Kyle Larson, Nebraska, 6-0, 205, Sr., Funk, Neb.
    Punt Returner: Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma, 6-0, 188, Jr., Lawton, Okla.


    Second Team Offense

    Tight End: Billy Bajema, Oklahoma State, 6-5, 260, Jr., Oklahoma City, Okla.
    Offensive Line: Ryan Lilja, Kansas State, 6-3, 300, Sr., Lake Quivira, Kan.; Rob Droege, Missouri, 6-6, 305, Sr., St. Louis, Mo.; Richie Incognito, Nebraska, 6-3, 305, So., Glendale, Ariz.; Sam Mayes, Oklahoma State, 6-4, 350, Jr., Austintown, Ohio; Daniel Loper, Texas Tech, 6-7, 329, Jr., Houston, Texas
    Wide Receiver: James Terry, Kansas State, 6-5, 185, Sr., Homestead, Fla.; Roy Williams, Texas, 6-4, 210, Sr., Odessa, Texas
    Quarterback: B.J. Symons, Texas Tech, 6-1, 220, Sr., Houston, Texas
    Running Back: Zack Abron, Missouri, 5-10, 228, Sr., Lake St. Louis, Mo.; Cedric Benson, Texas, 6-0, 215, Jr., Midland, Texas
    Placekicker: Luke Phillips, Oklahoma State, 6-0, 170, Sr., Tulsa, Okla.
    Kick Returner: Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M, 6-1, 195, Jr., Tyler, Texas


    Second Team Defense

    End/Outside Linebacker: Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado, 6-4, 270, Sr., St. Charles, Ill.; Andrew Shull, Kansas State, 6-5, 260, Sr., Webb City, Mo.
    Interior Line: Justin Montgomery, Kansas State, 6-2, 281, Sr., Smith Center, Kan.; C.J. Mosley, Missouri, 6-3, 295, So., Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo.; Ryon Bingham, Nebraska, 6-3, 290, Sr., Sandy, Utah
    Linebacker: John Garrett, Baylor, 6-1, 251, Sr., Mart, Texas; Demorrio Williams, Nebraska, 6-1, 215, Sr., Beckville, Texas
    Defensive Back: Medford Moorer, Colorado, 5-2, 205, Sr., Los Angeles, Calif.; Rashad Washington, Kansas State, 6-3, 210, Sr., Wichita, Kan.; Brodney Pool, Oklahoma, 6-3, 198, So., Houston, Texas; Ryan Aycock, Texas Tech, 6-0, 210, Sr., Lubbock, Texas
    Punter: Daniel Sepulveda, Baylor, 6-2, 210, Fr., Dallas, Texas
    Punt Returner: Jeremy Bloom, Colorado, 5-9, 175, So., Loveland, Colo.


    Third Team Offense

    Tight End: Mickey Peters, Texas Tech, 6-3, 215, Sr., Weatherford, Texas
    Offensive Line: Joe Vaughn, Kansas, 6-2, 290, Jr., Del City, Okla.,; Adrian Jones, Kansas, 6-5, 265, Sr., Dallas, Texas; Jonathan Scott, Texas, 6-7, 300, So., Dallas, Texas; Geoff Hangartner, Texas A&M, 6-5, 305, Jr., New Braunfels, Texas; Toby Cecil, Texas Tech, 6-4, 295, Sr., Richardson, Texas
    Wide Receivers: D.J. Hackett, Colorado, 6-3, 200, Sr., Ontario, Calif.; Lane Danielsen, Iowa State, 6-0, 195, Sr., Dike, Iowa
    Quarterback (tie in voting): Bill Whittemore, Kansas, 6-0, 205, Sr., Brentwood, Tenn.; Ell Roberson, Kansas State, 6-1, 205, Sr., Baytown, Texas; Brad Smith, Missouri, 6-3, 205, So., Youngstown, Ohio
    Running Back (tie in voting): Rashad Armstrong, Baylor, 5-8, 195, Sr., Miami, Fla.; Vernand Morency, Oklahoma State, 5-10, 225, So., Miami, Fla.; Courtney Lewis, Texas A&M, 5-10, 190, Fr., Houston, Texas
    Placekicker: Joe Rheem, Kansas State, 6-2, 210, Jr., Wichita, Kan.
    Kick Returner: Robert Quiroga, Baylor, 6-3, 190, Sr., San Antonio, Texas


    Third Team Defense

    End/Outside Linebacker: Jonathan Jackson, Oklahoma, 6-3, 235, Jr., Houston, Texas; Adell Duckett, Texas Tech, 6-4, 265, Jr., Mineral Wells, Texas
    Interior Line: Jordan Carstens, Iowa State, 6-5, 305, Sr., Bagley, Iowa; Atiyyah Ellison, Missouri, 6-4, 295, Jr., St. Louis, Mo.; Rodrique Wright, Texas, 6-5, 315, So., Houston, Texas
    Linebacker (tie in voting): Gabriel Toomey, Kansas, 6-4, 240, Jr., West Des Moines, Iowa; James Kinney, Missouri, 6-1, 239, Jr., Kankakee, Ill.; Barrett Ruud, Nebraska, 6-2, 245, Jr., Lincoln, Neb.
    Defensive Back: Randy Jordan, Kansas State, 6-2, 180, Sr., Tulare, Calif.; Fabian Washington, Nebraska, 5-11, 176, So., Bradenton, Fla.; Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma, 6-2, 210, Jr., Walnut, Calif.; Brandon Everage, Oklahoma, 6-0, 202, Sr., Granger, Texas
    Punter: Curtis Ansel, Kansas, 6-0, 210, Sr., Lakin, Kan.
    Kick Returner: Charles Gordon, Kansas, 5-11, 170, So., Santa Monica, Calif.


    Honorable Mention

    Tight End: Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado; Brian Casey, Kansas State; J.D. McCoy, Missouri; Charlie Johnson, Oklahoma State
    Offensive Line: Marwan Hage, Colorado; Tony Palmer, Missouri; Josh Sewell, Nebraska; Davin Joseph, Oklahoma; Wes Sims, Oklahoma
    Wide Receiver: Derek McCoy, Colorado; Mark Simmons, Kansas; Isaiah Fluellen, Nebraska; Barndon Jones, Oklahoma; B.J. Johnson, Texas; Nehemiah Glover, Texas Tech; Carlos Francis, Texas Tech
    Quarterback: Joel Klatt, Colorado; Jammal Lord, Nebraska; Josh Fields, Oklahoma State
    Running Back: Brian Calhoun, Colorado; Clark Green, Kansas; Travis Wilson, Kansas State; J.D. Runnels, Oklahoma; Shawn Willis, Oklahoma State; Taurean Henderson, Texas Tech
    Defensive End/Outside Linebacker: Jason Berryman, Iowa State; Brian Smith, Missouri; Trevor Johnson, Nebraska; Antonio Smith, Oklahoma State; Kareem Smith, Oklahoma State; Kalen Thornton, Texas
    Interior Line: Clay Coe, Oklahoma State
    Linebacker: Sean Tufts, Colorado; Nick Reid, Kansas; Banks Floodman, Kansas; Bryan Hickman, Kansas State; Brandon Barnes, Missouri; T.J. Hollowell, Nebraska; Brock Stratton, Texas Tech
    Defensive Back: J.J. Billingsley, Colorado; JaMaine Billups, Iowa State; Ellis Hobbs, Iowa State; Tony Stubbs, Kansas; John Randle (also RB), Kansas; Mike Harden, Missouri; Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska; Jon Holland, Oklahoma State; Robert Jones, Oklahoma State; Phillip Geiggar, Texas; Jaxson Appel, Texas A&M; Vincent Meeks, Texas Tech
    Special Teams: Adam Benike, Iowa State; Jared Brite, Kansas State; Cole Farden, Oklahoma State
     
  2. yipengzhao

    yipengzhao Contributing Member

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    Brad Smith gets no love, he carries that Missouri team. 3rd team? Geez put him on Oklahoma and he'd have better stats than White.
     
  3. Nuggets4

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    I love how the honorable mention is pretty much everyone else that started a game this season.

    First of all, they should have saved time and just called the First Team Defense "Oklahoma". Every one of their starters could legitimately claim it.

    Second of all, I was pissed that Bloom didn't make the first team, until I remembered the season Perkins had.
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    24 of the 52 members of the 1st & 2nd teams are products of Texas high schools.
     
  5. mduke

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    He doesn't have the arm White has. Trust me.
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    I think he was implying that Smith should have been 2nd team. No one can argue White being 1st team. I think Brad Smith will have a monster year next year. Maybe even an Eric Crouch type year.

    Isn't there an all freshman team that comes out too?
     
  7. mduke

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    He is a great player...but to bump the leading passer, yardage-wise, in NCAA history to 3rd team just doesn't seem right...

    Next year Smith should be 1st team though...:)
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    Very true. Especially since he went to my high school. :D

    I'm a little surprised that Vince Young isn't on there anywhere. Maybe not being a starter the whole year hurt him. Jammal Lord? :confused:
     
  9. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko

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    It looks like they wanted to make sure no one got their feelings overly hurt.
     
  10. yipengzhao

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    Yeah... White is good. I hope Smith doesn't turn out to be a Crouch, who couldn't pass. If he could, Nebraska would have been better that year.

    Oh here a trivia question, who are the only two players in NCAA history to pass for 2000 yards and run for 1000 in a season?
     
  11. tozai

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    Not being a starter at the beginning definitely hurt. He got Freshman Offensive Player of the Year.
     
  12. francis 4 prez

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    the fact that Roy Williams is on the 2nd team shows you just how bad of an offensive coordinator greg davis really is.

    and i noticed the same thing as Buck, Texas players all over those teams.

    and who were the ties b/t for LB? i'm hoping lehman and DJ or some people need their heads checked.


    and i'm also kinda surprised they didn't make a "super team" category and have tommie harris as the only player on it.
     
  13. vj23k

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    [cough]Vince[cough]

    :)
     
  14. mduke

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    Have you gotten your flu shot yet?;)

    Dude, that's a great idea!!
     
  15. gr8-1

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    From Hornfans:

    Among the All Big 12 defensive tackles, Rod was #1 in tackles, sacks, sack yardage, and QB pressures. He also had more pass breakups and forced fumbles than 1st Teamers Tommie Harris and Dusty Dvoracek COMBINED. But according to the coaches who picked the teams, Rod was no better than the 7th best DT in the conference this season.
     
  16. vj23k

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    Heh...Brad Smith is a hell of a player(Definitely better than Vince this year...about the same as a runner, but better and smarter passer), but I don't see any reason why Vince can't surpass him next season. We're hearing a lot of talk about a shift in the offensive balance(Keeping ball on ground with Vince/Cedric), but I don't buy it. The great receivers keep coming in, and it would be stupid to try to turn this team into an option team. IMO, the days when that worked are over. We are losing the big 3, but I really think that Vince will like throwing to Sweed, Jeffery, and our incoming recruits.

    I also think Tarell Brown will make some noise next year at DB. He is the best back I have personally seen at the high school level(Didn't get to catch Adrian P.), and he is supposedly better suited for DB...I think that spells trouble for opposing WR's next season.

    I hope like hell that I never have to say this again, but...

    [gulp]

    go OU

    (That's right...no exclamation point...that was painful enough.)
     
  17. mduke

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    That's a joke....he should probably be first team with Harris but I've heard opposing coaches say Dvoracek is really the one to look out for on OU...
     
  18. tozai

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    Yeah I heard Brown was a badass in HS. What game did you see? What'd he do that was so impressive? He didn't seem very impressive in limited PT this year, but he is a freshman. I didn't focus that much on him either, so I'm not forming a definite judgement.

    If they don't screw with Vince, he'll win a Heisman probably. Don't know if that's a good thing though. He'd definitely be 1st team Big XII. I'm worried they're going to discourage his running too much and never let him throw downfield - the two things he does best.
     
  19. mduke

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    I don't think they're about the same as a runner...I think Young is quite a bit better. I just like Smith's overall game better..for now.:)

    Of course this is all moot should Jason White come back....:D(though I doubt he does..:( )
     
  20. vj23k

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    Brown was just a beast in the one game I saw him in. He carried his high school team(North Mesquite, I believe) against the eventual 3rd place(Though everyone knows they were really the second best team in the state last year) finisher in Lufkin High school. North Mesquite was overmatched in every way possible...on the line, at the skill positions, in the secondary...everywhere, and Brown brought them back from, I think, a 2 touchdown 4th quarter defecit and led them to a one touchdown overtime defeat. Better speed than any HS back I have ever seen and better power than any HS back I have seen except for one(Jorvorskie Lane of Lufkin). He ran circles around a defense that is always among the best in the state. I really think he is as fast as any player that I have personally witnessed. At any level. Forget 40 times...I'm talking actual on-field speed. I remember at least two instances in which he out-sprinted the whole secondary.

    Like I said, if this kid is a better DB than he is RB, then we might not see too much of a dropoff in the secondary this offseason.


    Seems like a lot now think that Vince is a superior runner, and he very well may be, but quite a bit better? The only game that I saw of Smith's was the A&M game(That may be why I overrate him as a runner), and he seemed to be running at will. He looked to be on the same level as Vince as a runner and only a marginally better passer.

    You don't think White will come back? Has his draft outlook really changed that much? I guess if he did see a NFL future, then now is the time to leave. After/Assuming they win the Big 12, MNC, and White wins the heisman, his draft outlook would look as good as ever. Interesting...I had thought he was pretty set on coming back.
     

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