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2 men threw something in car to start a fire on Katy freeway

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rockbox, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Rocket River

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    Obama has been white people's b**** on race relations
    He has always been passive and submissive on anything race related
    Every turn he bowed down and kissed ass

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  2. Rocket River

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    Correction

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  3. Air Langhi

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    Hasn't stopped blaming the Muslims.
     
  4. DudeWah

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    Let's not play coy. There have been at least a dozen posters on this sub-forum, including you (I could be mistaken but I don't think so) who have spoken about the "divisiveness of Obama" in recent weeks.

    Theres a double standard of calling Obama divisive (although I'm not actually sure why people think that) and not Trump.

    Furthermore, it's not arguable that trump's platform included divisive and discriminatory rhetoric. It did. That's a fact.

    Do I think Trump himself caused this I incident? No. But it is very dangerous for the president to have run a campaign (and won) appealing to the base level discriminatory inclinations of certain people.

    I don't think all trump supporters feel this way. I don't think even most do. Nor do I think you need to be a trump supporter to act this way. It's obvious that people are responsible for their own actions and need to be held accountable on an individual basis.

    Maybe it turns out this has nothing to do with prejudice. That'll be revealed one way or another. Or maybe it won't.

    Even still, it's odd that you're so quick to try and claim that his rhetoric has had zero effect on the overall mentality of a certain subset of the population. It most certainly has.

    You've stumbled around saying people are "making it up" about their mom being told she's going to get deported. Or you've dismissed it as "not a top concern" when a girl in NYC was harassed due to her profile and a girl from SDSU was attacked due to her appearance.

    So while Trump hasn't directly been to blame for any of this, the type of discriminatory mentality he's enabled, by allowing less scrupulous members of society to feel empowered about their ideology, most likely is.

    Hate crimes most against Muslims since 9-11:
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/1...id=8558E81D8F6A48AF85F4216BFED4BB1E&FORM=QBLH

    It's fine if this is not an important issue to you and you are apathetic towards it. No one is telling you to care. But to outright dismiss it as nonsense because you personally couldn't care about those people is disingenuous and inappropriate.

    It's not just a coincidence that these things have been so openly happening (more often perhaps?) in the last few weeks. There are actual experts and researchers (hint: not you) who have come out and said "hey there's probably a link between these things."

    So it's a bit backwards when you claim that Trump's divisiveness has had no effect on these sort of incidents happening in our society.

    Furthermore, this is extra odd coming from you, who supposedly doesn't support trump.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Not what I'm saying at all. Trump's rhetoric absolutely is divisive and it potentially would impact the overall mentality of a certain subset of the population just as I've (fairly) blamed Obama for in the past.

    What I'm saying is that in this instance, there's no evidence that this was that kind of thing. Since there's no evidence whatsoever about the motivations of the attackers, or that it was anything more than a prank gone wrong, it's irresponsible to blame the president elect. Now if it turns out this was a hate crime, blaming Trump is on the table.....I'm just asking for some restraint.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Specifically when it comes to this part, hate crimes against Muslims are twice as rare in America as people getting injured by lightning is. Does it happen? Sure. Is it awful when it happens? Absolutely. Is it a really important issue? Not so much.

    When those incidents happen, the people responsible should be dealt with, and dealt with harshly.....but it's not an epidemic, even if the numbers are on the rise from being not statistically relevant to the point where they pick up a few percentage points of all hate crimes.
     
  7. Liberon

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    How do you successfully throw a molotiv into a car at highway speeds anyways? This is some Mad Max: Fury Freeway... These 2 psychos hope to spend their last days in Valhalla... If I was the cop to apprehend these buttholes.. I'd give them and beat down then spray silver rustoleum into their mouths...
     
  8. JeffB

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    Be careful with the name calling.
     

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