I have to laugh at that. You are comparing us to Pat Riley and Jerry West led teams. Stone is a stone cold man and Morey was a nerd who wasn't as loved around the league. Neither were legendary ex players. McHale was the only beloved guy but we didn't include him in the management and he wasn't a capable guy.
Beat me to my post : Pro Tankers from the very beginning : We are going to suck and we have a 2 year window here where we can take advantage of this. Let’s make sure we don’t over play vets to notch a few extra meaningless wins which have a very good chance to hurt the value of our future draft assets. Let’s trade vets with value and feed every minute possible to our youth. We won’t win much, but it will ultimately be for the better. Let’s not get attached to “pretty good” guys who are going to want more money then they are worth. Let’s not assume 1 year into a rebuild that the rebuild is over and make short sighted decisions. If we win games and Green, Porter, Sengun, Christopher and Brooks are who we see getting the majority of the minutes and closing out games…Awesome If we win games relying heavily on Gordon, Wood, Augustine to play a lot of minutes and close out games. Not awesome. Anti tankers : Oh so you just want to suck forever?!?! Loser mentality!!! If we just want to suck let’s just play Theis 48 minutes game!!! Pro tankers : That’s not what we said at all….
I can’t really agree with this. For one, our young players played a massive role in last night’s win. Sengun, Christopher, KJ, Brooks, and Mathews all played major minutes. And two, vets and winning HELP young guys develop.
No I am not comparing us to them. I'm saying that building good teams is not reliant on luck and using them as proof of that.
How is it eliminating other ways? Only teams with “winning culture” make trades or attract FAs? FAs never just take the money? Come on… we aren’t a OKC destination.
How many rings do the Warriors have if Steph Curry goes #6 to the Timberwolves? What if Melo goes #2 to Detroit, Bosh #3 to Denver, and Wade #4 to Toronto? Do the Heat win in 2006 and get LeBron later on? Are the Rockets even rebuilding if Chris Paul never gets injured and we win the title? Luck plays a much larger role in sports and life than most are comfortable admitting. If finding "hidden gems" in the draft was easy, then there would be no hidden gems as they would go top 5.
The only thing we have is Moreyball and it isn't as effective as before but we still win our share of games. You have to play ball within the legendary players of the NBA, HOFers. You can start by offering major jobs to Sam I Am, Horry, Elie, Jet, Vernon and CO.
I mean...your post doesn't make much sense here... Silas KNOWS what wins games, we know what wins games...so how are you going to lose games when the entire team, players, fans, knows what wins games? So should Silas sit Ego until we can trade him? Along with Wood and Augustine? Your scenario is not realistic. Players and coaches want to win games. Not tank.
Generally speaking, NBA talent isn’t going to go to tanking teams, period. When was the last time a big time FA signed with or agreed to be traded to a tanking team? It’s exactly why Morey fought so hard for a competitive rebuild rather than true tanking — we probably don’t land Harden if the Rockets had been downright awful.
So we should sit Green and Porter the rest of the year? And keep Sengun around 15 minutes a game? It’s what wins games…..(against the weakest part of our schedule)
Silas knows how to win games with veterans. It is chump change. Silas has to figure out how to win major games with Jalen Green as a star player. Or figure it out ASAP. Manage minutes, I am glad for Ego, but he should know what he wants, Play In or playing for a perennial contender right now. You have to know the bigger picture for yourself. Stop with the word tanking lol, it is reasonably applying yourself.
No, because you said winning was completely on LUCK. That isn't true. Great GMs have a track record for a reason. It's not a coincidence if every year the Rockets are finding players like Tate and Mathews, at some point you realize Stone is good at finding good players that weren't drafted, it's not luck. It's not luck taht Jerry West continued to build competitive teams, then even went to Memphis and gave that organization its best years.
Playing Sengun more would mean more wins first of all... But no, we should play Green and Porter because we want to know if they are going to be part of the core. See, you're learning that plenty of us that want the team to win are also for trading vets! It's just we don't think relying on tanking is healthy.
We are rebuilding not tanking, can’t tank with the draft odds. The owner refused to tank, not Morey for the record. FAs also usually join other star/superstars…. Which we don’t have. Every team building means has its drawbacks. I will grant you that it will be harder to draw in superstars while you are rebuilding, but what about in 2023 or 2024 when we are better? It’s not all about making a major trade next season. My main point is asset accumulation when you are rebuilding and finding that star/franchise player.
Winning a game or a few is good for fan interest and good for player development. We may be getting a bit carried away with this winning thing though. Too much of a good thing.
We want the same things, you want it slightly different way, are hellbent on it. So just watch the god darn games. lol. If you can, call Jerry for me.
