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2 Dead as Protests Break out in Tibet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. yeo

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    From what I know, Nepal is dirt poor and has a violent rebellion ongoing.
     
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    Independent or not, it's just r****ded to compare Taiwan and Tibet. And as someone has already mentioned, Taiwan is very economically dependent on China nowadays.
     
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    They are actually much more dependent on the USA and Japan for imports. They do export to China more than anywhere else, but it isn't some insanely exclusive trading relationship. As a percentage of imports and exports, the association is smaller than that between the USA and Canada.
     
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    massive amount of their exports goes to mainland due to cultural similarities. i am not talking about high tech stuff. majority of their stuff are produce and such that mainlanders consume. if they don't want it, they are piled with **** that nobody wants.
     
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    Tibet is 83 times the size of Nepal, mostly vast open land. Infrastructural development come expectedly slower.

    It also has 1/11th the population of Nepal in two regions whether virtually all economic output is based on manpower.

    Nepal may also have been historically wealthier.

    Contrary to what you'd like to think, economic aid doesn't come free. If Tibet was not part of China, the Chinese would be under no obligation to develop the area. In fact, one reason why Nepal went from economically impotent to slightly less economically impotent was due to trade with China.

    Sudan is the same way. Would China be building the infrastructure in Sudan if its government does not have friendly relations (and of course, oil) with China?
     
  6. yeo

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    That is incorrect. Nepal's per capita GDP is only $210, whereas the Tibet Autonomous Region's per-capita GDP is over $1000. I think you were mistakenly comparing PPP (purchasing power parity) figures for Nepal (which is over $1100) with international conversion-rate figures for Tibet. I don't have the PPP figures for Tibet, but it can be expected to be in the $4000 - $5000 range, far higher than Nepal.
     
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    That's because they restrict imports from China, and Taiwan's is an export-driven economy. Without exports to China, Taiwan's economy would be in a recession for the past few years. But any way, all this is off-topic. Like I said, it's r****ded to compare the economic situation of Taiwan and that of Tibet.
     
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    back to topic. vast majority of people there, did not join the mob. it's mostly low incomes and thugs. those with regular jobs and decent income don't see the point to join and mess up their life.
     
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    Repeating the same thing 1000 times in the cyber space doesn't make what you say is true. If you were the President then maybe what you say will be influential. Too bad you are just a nobody.

    By the way, it shows how ignorant you are to say Taiwan is thriving without China. Even the current Taiwanese President is worried that Taiwan is getting too much dependent on China economically that the Taiwan economy will be in chao if China stops the money pipe. That's why he and his party has been urging the investors to stay in Taiwan or explore investment opportunities in other countries. You really need to make yourself more familiar with what you want to talk about.
     
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    Is there any reason that you group two countries (US and Japan, even Canada) when mentioning trade links with Taiwan? Then how about this, Taiwan is far more economically dependent on Mainland China + Hong Kong + Macau + South Korea.

    The simple fact is, Mainland China surpassed Japan as Taiwan's largest trade partner. It also surpassed the US long ago.
     
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    Actually I was too conservative. Tibet's per-capita GDP (conversion rate) for 2006, the last year with available figures, was over $1300. Nepal's figure for the same year was only $311. And Nepal ranks among the lowest in human development indicators in the world. So no, Nepal is not a good example for your theory.
     
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    Very good catch. I didn't even realize they used PPP.
     
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    According to my sources you are comparing flat per capita GDP of Nepal with PPP of Tibet.

    The sources I have place PPP in Nepal between $1100-$2000, and PPP in Tibet in the range of $1000-$1200
     
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    I get my figures here for the 2006 figures. Tibet per capita GDP was over 10,000 RMB that year. Note that the RMB:US$ conversion rate was around 7.5:1 that year.

    You can also find the 2005 figure here .
     
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    I don't have PPP figures for Tibet, since such calculations are only done for countries, not regions. But note that China's regular GDP was 2.68 trillion in 2006, but its PPP figures was as high as $10.17 trillion. So we can expect Tibet's PPP figures to be well over $5000.
     
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    I'm sorry. What I was trying to say is that Taiwan imports more from Japan and imports roughly the same amount to marginally more from the US than from China. I was not combining.

    Mostly on exports, not imports. If you isolate just imports, Taiwan has larger trading partners.

    The relationship is not so tight that it is abnormal compared to the trading relationship between two independent countries, like the USA and Canada. Or Japan and South Korea. That is all I'm saying. It's a tight relationship, but not as uniquely tight as I felt the poster was implying.
     
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    LET'S GO ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EAT THEM ALIVE. GO UNCLE D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    He didn't have to imply anything. Trade between Mainland China and Taiwan went from virtually non-existent to the largest. If not for Lee Tenghui and Chen Shuibian's trade restrictions and denial of the so called three links, it would have been even bigger, including import-wise.

    There is no reason to separate it into export/import categories when you compare bilateral trade relations.
     

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