gees, how ignorant are you? when did i say more violence? thugs should be put in jail when they break the law. the government has NOT fired a shot yet. if you read the earlier post. with all these media attention, they won't do anything. all i want is, peace to be maintained. only people like you want violence. and oh, the mobs have guns too.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/15/tibet.unrest/index.html According to this, so far, it seems that Tibetians are burning down their own city and leading violent protests. This is truly messed up. They are just hurting their own cause here. Video broadcast on China's CCTV Saturday showed flames and black smoke rising the market, where hundreds of rioters used hands, feet and sledge hammers to break down doors and shatter windows. Video Watch CCTV's images of the violence ยป One of the targets of their violence was a Bank of China branch. Protesters, including some monks dressed in red robes, could be seen overturning cars and throwing rocks to chase away other people. There was no sign of Chinese police in the video. The protests in Tibet began Monday when hundreds of monks rallied on the 49th anniversary of a failed uprising against Beijing that forced the Dalai Lama into exile. Police used gunfire and tear gas to quell the Lhasa protest, according to witnesses, human rights groups and Xinhua. Demonstrators set fire to vehicles and shops. One source said late Friday that up to a third of the city may be on fire and that power lines had been cut. A main market in Lhasa, Tromsikhang Market, was set on fire, said Kate Saunders, a spokeswoman for the International Campaign for Tibet. The market has many Chinese traders, and she said Tibetans have been concerned about the influx of Chinese into the area. Some ethnic Tibetan shopkeepers hung scarves outside their stores in an effort to spare them from the protesters' wrath, a witness reported. Chinese bloggers and U.S.-based human rights groups said Chinese security forces had sealed off the three main monasteries around Lhasa after the violence broke out. The bloggers also said police wearing armored vests were moving toward Lhasa in armored personnel carriers.
Where are the pictures of China raping Tibet for the last 50 years? The Dalai Lama preaches compassion, peace, and love of all mankind. If China hadn't invaded his homeland and largely tried to destroy its culture there wouldn't be trouble in Tibet. Get over yourselves. Chinese sound like a bunch of fools when they portray His Holyness as some sort of terrorist. Like you're in some alternate moron universe.
"Further the Dalai Lama is essentially given the PRC what it wants. No Tibetan independence for some more autonomy along with non-interference in religious matters. That is far more than Arafat offered the Israelis or Mandela did to DeKlerk. It seems to me that the PRC for giving very little in return could silence many of its foreign critics while also bringing in a moderate leader who could help ease tensions in Tibet." That is the problem, Dalai Lama wants Tibetans to be Tibetans, Chinese Government wants Tibetans to be Han. Look back the history of east Asia, Chinese, Japanese(I'd say Korean? I'm not that familiar with their stories), all have done that in the past. Technically there're 56 races in China, and I'd say about 50 of them, their people looked exactly just like Han people. The method is proven to be working, and I can totally understand Tibetans don't want to be a part of it. So solution? IMO, it's not gonna work while Tibetans still stayed in Tibet, at least not within 3 to 5 generations. Like I said earlier, Chinese Government can at least free Tibetans. Ofcourse, there're around 2.5 Million Tibetans in total(this number may be different from some sources, as Dalai Lama and his followers considering part of shinjiang belongs to Tibet as well), even those countries who blame China for Tibet, are kind enough to accept Tibetans as immigrants, it's just impossible to move all of them. A good portion of Tibetans are going to stay where they are, but that's good, most hardcore ones will be gone, and Tibet will stay peaceful enough for Chinese Government to "work racial relationships". I doubt neither Dalai Lama nor Chinese Government will ever agree this, or any country in the world will be kind enough to do freebies. At some level, we can say that they are all not that different from each other.
i don't get it. most people want peace. you make it sound like, there has been constant violence there. regular folks just want to live and peaceful and rich life. what's wrong with that? yes, monks everywhere preaches peace. that's true. but not everyone is a monk. i am pretty sure most of those monks were peaceful. but the video and pictures you saw, those people weren't exactly monks. if everyone stays peaceful, there won't be violence.
It's not their own city in the sense that even in the old quarter, the chinese, thanks to generoous government assistance, own most of the businesses. This is the product of years of oppression - I can't believe people are surprised that people who were subjugated in their own land react negatively. This is basically a frustrated last stand. In a few years there will be no more Tibetans for us to worry about, the CCP will have accomplished its goal of re-inventing Tibet as part of China (which they already have) and we won't have to worry about this.
I think China should kill these criminals immediately, there is no tibet but XiZang. You can't let those criminals kill and burn your own people.
Power of TV network I guess. In China the common image for Japanese is their denial in NanJing Massacre; In Canada the common image for yanks it's their ignortant attitude and bully of the world reputation; In Japan the common image for Korean is them being extreme nationalists, the list can go on and on and on. All TV news only report things that they wanted you to know, or at least they think it's no harm for you to know. It's been this way thousands years ago, been this way hundreds years ago, still is today, and will stay the same in any future. Traveling, is the death of prejudice
You are not really so dumb to think that they were only about the bike man when they discussed things that got chopped out from the picture, right?
you're not so dumb as to think bike man is not just bike man, but obviously the Dalai Lama in disguise carrying an AK-47 which the co-conspirators at CNN tried to ignore. But for the sleuths at clutchfans we would have never known this.
You've answered my quesiton just fine. You're more concerned about the omission of roadside dividers in the foreground than anything else and rading an international conspiracy into it. - this is not surprising or even interesting. Just shut up and relax - you are winning, the PLA is shooting them up as we speak. Soon you won't have to worry about this. All you pro-CCP guys need to look on this as a glorious day, you will finally be able to stamp out the tibetan menace. Thank god, it was about time.
Don't keep trying to change the topic. My posts in this thread is strictly about the picture only. You do not know my stance in the Tibet issue. Let me just tell you I support self-determination and I believe everyone should have the right to choose th form of government that they want. Now back to picture which is what I have strictly been talking about. Anyone with half a brain knows that the guys are talking about the mob having been chopping off from the picture, not the bike man. Unless you were just acting dumb, there is no way anyone with some gray matter between their ears would think they were just talking about the bike man. The tactic to paint someone in a bad image in order to win an argument in an internet discussion forum is getting old and lame. Are you capable of doing better than that?
Right, I think the media is lame because they doctored the picture. And then based on that, you drew the conclusion in the above post. Can you get even more r****ded than that?
Terrible situation. If I have to pick a side, it would have to be with the PRC. But (in this Olympic year) maybe they should extend an olive branch to the Lama. And yes - it seems everyone on this issue has picked a side. Personally I find the traditional "Western" view a little patronizing. Somehow all Chinese media reports are lies and Western ones aren't? Even is the face of tourist reports? There is probably bias on both sides but the tourist eyewitness reports certainly do speak for themselves. And I don't quite understand the logic of how a Tibetan is morally justified to burn or kill a Han shopkeeper because of the occupation while it would not be morally justified for a Native American to do the same here.
Does Chna have anything like this: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SJRes00037:| S.J.RES.37 Title: A joint resolution to acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian Tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States. Sponsor: Sen Brownback, Sam [KS] (introduced 5/6/2004) Cosponsors (6) Related Bills: H.J.RES.98 Latest Major Action: 7/15/2004 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 638. Senate Reports: 108-310 (Status: Passed Senate) Text of S.J.RES.37: Apology to Native peoples Wednesday, May 19, 2004 The following is the text of S.J.RES.37, a bill to acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States, as introduced on April 6, 2004. JOINT RESOLUTION To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States. Whereas the ancestors of today's Native Peoples inhabited the land of the present-day United States since time immemorial and for thousands of years before the arrival of peoples of European descent; Whereas the Native Peoples have for millennia honored, protected, and stewarded this land we cherish; Whereas the Native Peoples are spiritual peoples with a deep and abiding belief in the Creator, and for millennia their peoples have maintained a powerful spiritual connection to this land, as is evidenced by their customs and legends; Whereas the arrival of Europeans in North America opened a new chapter in the histories of the Native Peoples; Whereas, while establishment of permanent European settlements in North America did stir conflict with nearby Indian tribes, peaceful and mutually beneficial interactions also took place; Whereas the foundational English settlements in Jamestown, Virginia, and Plymouth, Massachusetts, owed their survival in large measure to the compassion and aid of the Native Peoples in their vicinities; Whereas in the infancy of the United States, the founders of the Republic expressed their desire for a just relationship with the Indian tribes, as evidenced by the Northwest Ordinance enacted by Congress in 1787, which begins with the phrase, `The utmost good faith shall always be observed toward the Indians'; Whereas Indian tribes provided great assistance to the fledgling Republic as it strengthened and grew, including invaluable help to Meriwether Lewis and William Clark on their epic journey from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Pacific Coast; Whereas Native Peoples and non-Native settlers engaged in numerous armed conflicts; Whereas the United States Government violated many of the treaties ratified by Congress and other diplomatic agreements with Indian tribes; Whereas this Nation should address the broken treaties and many of the more ill-conceived Federal policies that followed, such as extermination, termination, forced removal and relocation, the outlawing of traditional religions, and the destruction of sacred places; Whereas the United States forced Indian tribes and their citizens to move away from their traditional homelands and onto federally established and controlled reservations, in accordance with such Acts as the Indian Removal Act of 1830; Whereas many Native Peoples suffered and perished-- (1) during the execution of the official United States Government policy of forced removal, including the infamous Trail of Tears and Long Walk; (2) during bloody armed confrontations and massacres, such as the Sand Creek Massacre in 1864 and the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890; and (3) on numerous Indian reservations; Whereas the United States Government condemned the traditions, beliefs, and customs of the Native Peoples and endeavored to assimilate them by such policies as the redistribution of land under the General Allotment Act of 1887 and the forcible removal of Native children from their families to faraway boarding schools where their Native practices and languages were degraded and forbidden; Whereas officials of the United States Government and private United States citizens harmed Native Peoples by the unlawful acquisition of recognized tribal land, the theft of resources from such territories, and the mismanagement of tribal trust funds; Whereas the policies of the United States Government toward Indian tribes and the breaking of covenants with Indian tribes have contributed to the severe social ills and economic troubles in many Native communities today; Whereas, despite continuing maltreatment of Native Peoples by the United States, the Native Peoples have remained committed to the protection of this great land, as evidenced by the fact that, on a per capita basis, more Native people have served in the United States Armed Forces and placed themselves in harm's way in defense of the United States in every major military conflict than any other ethnic group; Whereas Indian tribes have actively influenced the public life of the United States by continued cooperation with Congress and the Department of the Interior, through the involvement of Native individuals in official United States Government positions, and by leadership of their own sovereign Indian tribes; Whereas Indian tribes are resilient and determined to preserve, develop, and transmit to future generations their unique cultural identities; Whereas the National Museum of the American Indian was established within the Smithsonian Institution as a living memorial to the Native Peoples and their traditions; and Whereas Native Peoples are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among those are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND APOLOGY. The United States, acting through Congress-- (1) recognizes the special legal and political relationship the Indian tribes have with the United States and the solemn covenant with the land we share; (2) commends and honors the Native Peoples for the thousands of years that they have stewarded and protected this land; (3) acknowledges years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes; (4) apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States; (5) expresses its regret for the ramifications of former offenses and its commitment to build on the positive relationships of the past and present to move toward a brighter future where all the people of this land live reconciled as brothers and sisters, and harmoniously steward and protect this land together; (6) urges the President to acknowledge the offenses of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land by providing a proper foundation for reconciliation between the United States and Indian tribes; and (7) commends the State governments that have begun reconciliation efforts with recognized Indian tribes located in their boundaries and encourages all State governments similarly to work toward reconciling relationships with Indian tribes within their boundaries.
It only took us, what, 200 years to issue that apology? China's only been in Tibet for 50 years. I suspect they'll issue some apology like that in another 150 years after the Tibetans are completely marginalized, just like the Native Americans are completely marginalized here. What's your point Meowgi? There's no moral high ground for us either.
i don't see why it's necessary in this case. both sizes have fought many wars in the past and also alliance in the past for thousands of years. it's not even close to the situation of native americans. they never did anything to europeans. you can't use that as an example.
Maybe they will offically file one, if 80% of Tibetans died because of the "diseases" that Chinese people brought there.
