There are people who were footbound after those skins were taken in the link provided. If the skins are arelevant reflection on the fitness of rulers in the modern world, then the more recent footbindings are more relevant.
The difference is that Chinese under PRC did away with the foot binding practices by women. Tibetans had their chances for decades during the ROC regime and several more years in the PRC era. The medieval customs persisted until PRC central government took care of them. Some of those are utterly gross. In traditional Tibetan practices, the urine and feces of living buddhas were considered everlasting treasures that practitioners of Traditional Tibetan Medicine eagerly packaged those human waste stuff into their medicine for those longing for healthy life and longevity. It's no wonder the average life span in old Tibet was around 35 years. Go figure.
Because the same person who's trying to back in the power was the ruler when skinning happened, while the same can't be said about footbinding? just trying to help.
Typical SamFisher r****ded reply. I found your point (5) the most interesting. Therefore, I'd like to advice you to look in the mirror and say that to yourself at least 10 times. Talking about being biased, no one even comes close to you here. In your biased eyes, everyone who holds a different opinion is Nazi, is pro-CCP, is brainwashed is a bot or whatever insulting names that you can come up with. You are the definition of a hypocrite.
Sam, this can go both ways. Everyone will just have to agree to disagree. I think Sishir (the actual OP) is pretty moderate and fair-minded actually. He at least acknowledges the basis for another point of view. In turn, I would like to admit that if the PRC pulled out of Tibet, I wouldn't really give a damn. Like you mentioned in another thread, if they want to host the Olympics and play with the big boys, maybe they need to bite the bullet sometimes. I do see the reasoning in that point of view. Now here are my fact. 1. Tibet has never been a part of China. All historical evidence otherwise must be lies. 2. Tibet was a utopia where there were no slaves. Even if there were, they were happy to be slaves. Dalai rode around town on a golden unicorn. All the women had large breasts and wore low-cut blouses. 3. All the Tibetan slaves were happy to be slaves. Just ask their lords. Blacks were likewise happy to be slaves in the CSA because Jeffy Davis said so. 4. Anybody who says different is the product of brainwashing because we are smarter. Even if they were born and live in the U.S. The Chinese are so sneaky that they can brainwash people from thousands of miles away. Sneaky commie bastards. 5. The US can claim moral superiority because they drafted a letter of apology for "manifest destiny". Let's not forget about those glorious reservations and casino rights.
Exactly how many human skins were taken by the current Dali Lama when he was around 20 y.o. and had been the Dali Lama for all of roughly 5 years before he fled Tibet? The current Dali Lama is as guilty of making human skin drums as the current average Chinese is of footbinding.
And you, Shampoo - you are the definition of a PRCbot, with an upgraded paranoia chip. Hey I wonder if any former Nazis hiding in South America are taking part in the Buenos Aires Leg of the Joseph Goebbels Olympic torch relay - it after all was his idea.
You made a very good point. It's the same logic or say 'tactic' used by people like SamFisher here: "China does everything wrong. Disagree and your's Nazi and brainwashed. Because China does everything wrong." You should have addressed your posts to all the hypocrites in this thread. Shall we take a roll call now?
That is a fair argument. I don't think we can hold the Dalai responsible for all the bad things about Tibetan culture. However, a lot of these posts are more indictments against the utopian, kumbaya fantasy that many Westerners have about Tibet. Not against the Dalai personally.
I absolutely will agree that the Dali Lama is not some sort of 'beyond human' being. His poo stinks like the rest of us.
I don't know, ask Dalai. You mean he was old enough to organize an uprising to preserve his power but not old enough to outlaw skinning? Now, that's some fantastic reasoning as in 0+0=100.
Hey, when will you man-up just for once and address what I said? I guess you found my point too difficult to reply to so you once again had to sidestepped and resorted to throwing out insults and name-calling? You said people are biased. I made a case that you are by far the most biased one here, based on what your own former posts. There is nothing that you can think of to counter it, right? I think so because otherwise you wouldn't have needed to use insults and call names. Isn't it sad that it's the best reply that you could come up with?
Sure, if you think the bbs is a good indicator. I guess the Dems will win with a 70% majority in the election judging by D&D.
Not really - you guys cite propaganda piece after propaganda piece from the pro-CCP viewpoint and cite it as gospel. I believe in this entire thread I have maybe cited one Tibetan exile based source. Once or twice. I recognize that a lot of their claims are exaggerated. I also recognize that it goes both ways. I have yet to see any of the PRC-bots and CCP-droids ever ever ever question official CCP Borg collective party numbers once. it almost never occurs because guys like you are absoutely OBSESSED with a photo being cropped on CNN.com. Meanwhile the CCP conducts staged media events where the drive the press around with OFFICIAL government minders (and they can't even do that right, the monks keep making them look stupid)...the CCP imposes a news quarantine of events in Tibet and makes ridiculous claim after ridiculous claim (as is their history in such matters) and you guys don't even notice it. To top it off the party line is completely inconsistent because it changes all the time (nobody cares about hte dalai lama he is weak and nobody vs. he is an evil criminal mastermind) But again you don't notice it publicly - because to acknowledge it would cause a breakdown of PRCBot programming and result in a critical internet loss of face. Now - go into PRC-bot subroutine number 5 for your response....yawn.
Actually, 0+0=0. As in, both of those subject are about 0% relevant. Neither one makes a bit of difference in the modern world. We don't hold the Chinese accountable for traditional Chinese practices. And healty, clear headed people don't hold the Dali Lama accountable for traditional Tibetan practices.
I did not think CNN was this bad.... but by reading their recent coverage on the torch relay in SF,hmm.... they only show you exactly one side of the story! considering how many red Chinese flags were there that day, CNN must have done a great job of editing. whatever, screw the haters and liars:
yeah keep mixing facts and non-facts will get you somewhere. I'm still wondering what do you have to say about the "old enough" part. Let me break it down for you: *None of Chinese leaders presided over any period where footbinding was leagal. In fact, I don't know if anyone is alive nowadays who experienced the time it was legal. *Dalai presided over a period when skinning was legal in Tibet. Be it only 5 years in to his ruling or 20 years old. Nevertheless, he was capable of raising an uprising. * Yet, you keep mixing the two as if these two event has some connection. Not! Ok, now, even if you want to completely exonerate Dalai from that terrible period, you then have to acknowledge that he was part of a political system of which he doesn't have full control, and the figuehead. Thus, any further talk of Dalai and negotiation should bear that political system in mind.
So it looks like it took US about another 100 years to reach the current human rights status. i am really impressed.
What propaganda have I cited? Have I cited anything at all? Point it out for me if you can, otherwise it's just another lie on your part. Now if you don't like the source of some other people quoted , go ahead to talk to them. I just wish you could man up just for once to address my point directly. I initially joined this thread because of the photoshopped picture. But then you immediately jumped on me and called all kind of names on me just because I did not like the media doctoring picture and try to make the readers believe what they want them to believe. And then the more I read your posts, I more I found out how biased and hypocritical you are. And what pissed me off is that you actually turned around and called the other people biased. Like what I have said, talking about being biased, no one comes even close to you here. You do not allow any different opinion. If anyone does not agree with you, he is a Nazi, a brainwashed person, a bot, etc. You resorted to throwing out insults and calling all different kind of names if anyone holds a different opinion that you do. But then you are shameless enough to turn around and keep trying to preach democracy and freedom here. It's this kind of hypocrisy that make me want to puke. Yes, you are the definition of a hypocrite.
There are plenty of criticism of Chinese government in those videos and stories. I urge you to watch the whole videos before relating them to China-sponsorship. Most of these sources are from people that have no relationship whatsoever with China. If you want to believe what CNN told you, you may at least have the open mind to try to believe what fact others are describing. For example, the Economist article questioned China's Tibet policy, and described the American Jounalist's personal experience as well. I don't agree with all the viewpoints in this article, but at least I tried to learn from sources different than CNN.
