Jesus called out nationalism, as did his earliest followers. He calls out pretense. He calls out human suffering. He calls for human dignity and respect. He doesn't defend the ruling class for the sake of doing so. You can call it a strawman...but it seems you are NEVER critical of the Chinese government's stance on anything.
I clearly remember watching BBC in 2006 in Shanghai, because all they talked about was Wayne Rooney's broken foot. Plus, CNN/BBC are not the only sources for Chinese to get information from outside. I have quite a few friends and business contacts in China, most of them are well informed on what's going on outside of official state media. The people who can actually can comprehend English well enough to watch CNN/BBC probably have enough other sources of information.
See, you already defined unbiased, what broadcasted by CNN and BBC is unbiased. Try to think freely, what happened if it is also biased, from another way? Unless you open your mindset, you are as same as those people you laughed at one minute ago, both of you only listened to mono channel.
Comprehend english well enough? I'm sure BBC and CNN would jump at providing a Chinese language version - in fact BBC world service does do a mandarin and cantonese version and has for a long time - which is blocked whenver anything but "China is awesome!" is aired.
The Chinese criticize their government also. Plenty. They just don't like other people tell them what's best to do. Go to tianya or other major portal to read yourself. And you will be amazed how fast the information disseminate, be it from abroad or domestic streets. With all due respect, I don't think many of you know the working of Chinese society very well, not as much as you think you know at least.
One thing to clarify, I think Deepblue answered your doubt that people in China can't access information freely you thought. Now you can see the fact. We don't need to worry about for BBC and CNN's mandarin version, anyway it should be decided by their management team.
I am pointing out the Chinese population isn't just a single mindless "braincleaned" entity. People there are a lot more informed than you would give them credit for, and CNN/BBC are not the only sources they can get information from.
With one billion plus news consumers - their management teams decided long ago. News Corp got the inside track on securing news distribution in China, with Star - mostly because Rupert agreed to submit to the most censorship.
You are pointing out that you saw a few minutes of CNN international soccer scores (and not the parts covering asian politics, which are censored and blocked) while you were in a hotel in China once . . . An important point - to be sure - but wholly irrelevant. Read the thread for more details. Thanks in Retro-Advance.
Uhh, did you even read what he wrote? He specifically stated that U.S. did have connections in Europe, namely being allied with the world superpower after 1815, as well as having a host of other advantages, enabling it to become the economic power that it is today. Makes me wonder if some people actually read around here.
It was actually the BBC, and I watched a lot more than just a few minutes. Remembered Rooney story at the time because it was repeated so often. Dude, it was you that brought up the couldn't watch CNN/BBC thing. While you ask me to read the thread, did you even read my post? My opinion of how informed are the Chinese people didn't come from the TV channels available there. I travel to China regularly and have friends and colleagues that live and work there, and I will say it again, people are a lot more informed than you are giving them credit for.
This thread, and many other threads, indicates otherwise when it comes to the signature nationalist issues. Read the thread. Read the threads.
When it comes to Tibet, did you ever bother to read sources other than tibet.com and juiced up main stream media news reports? I don't think you did, judoka, judging from your posts.
Thanks for sharing. But all those sources are obviously China-sponsored propaganda. I know this because Tibetans are too pure and good to do anything bad. And the Chinese are sneaky and bad.
I agree with you on a lot of points. If the PRC wants world power influence and status, then they have to be more open to criticism of human rights issues and such. They definitely do need a public relations consultant as they shoot themselves in the foot a lot - or else, as you said, they really don't care about international opinion. I think talking to the Dalai Lama would, if anything, be a good pr move. The Dalai has condemned the rioting himself. Yet - most of the "free tibet" crowd still refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing. What I don't like about the "free-Tibet" or "China sucks" crowd is their narrow-mindedness. Any posted articles that may actually paint Tibetans in a negative light or elevate Chinese people are instantly dismissed as PRC propaganda. Anyone with a pro-China opinion is "brainwashed" by the PRC with no access to "free" media - even if that person lives in the United States and has Directv. I suppose the crap goes both ways but it is the "free Tibet" crowd which claims moral superiority and progressive and unprejudiced enlightenment. Maybe it just forum-trolling (something that i do too) - but I see the same anti-Chinese attitudes from the media too and it smacks a little of sinophobia to me.
Nationalism is not unique or limited to China. There has never been shortage here in the good ol' USA, or anywhere else in the world. It's only coined differently -- patriotism. Dalai Lama is full of pretense, did ya not know that? Tibetan serfs and slaves, which accounted for more than 90% Tibetan population, had suffered enormously in the brutal medieval-style old Tibet before they were forever set free from the shackles of Lamaist theocracy. Jesus would hail the liberation of Tibetans by PRC as one of the greatest achievements in mankind. I am critical of many things in China. The rapid trend of for-profit health care "reform" is the one I am vehemently opposed to. Among others, I have issues with some of China's short-sighted economic development policies, deteriorating environment, lack of independent regulatory government structure and GMPs which often (but not necessarily always) lead to a litany of problems, including product and worker safety. These things, however, are hardly palpable personally by and interested to you average American/non-Chinese reader/poster on a basketball fan subforum, so you don't see me or other posters of Chinese persuasion make a fuss about them right here. On the other hand, it seems you never have anything good to say about China, do you?
Graphic Chinese propaganda http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2007/10/dalai-lama-hero-in-western-world.html China lie, people die... Daliar
By the same logic, Chinese practiced horrible deformative foot binding practices well into the 20th century. Therefore the Chinese are evil masters and unfit to rule themselves. I'm sure you will gladly agree that they should resubmit to their British betters, right? Spoiler If you apply the justifying logic you are using here to other situations, I don't think you will like the results.
PRCBot Tibet logic subroutine v3.84 1. Tibet has always been part of China always always always except for when it wasn't and before we invaded last time. 2. Dalai Lama is a fraudulent feudal lord who no Tibetans like with the exception of all of them who are actually just a few of them. 3. Magnificent Chinese older brothers are civilizing grateful happy Tibetan backwards cousins 5. Anybody who says different is product of biased western media which is banned from TIbet, because Xinhua didn't report it. 6. If China tries to accomodate Tibetan human rights or self-government just one inch, USA must give back Mexico to Indians.
You don't really know the history about footbinding. The Manchu dynasty (last dynasty before Sun Yatsen, etc.) pretty much outlawed the practice. The Communists have completely outlawed it. The Tibetan society right before the PRC did have slavery. The same Commies who outlawed footbinding also outlawed slavery. The British, on the other hand, hung signs like "NO CHINESE OR DOGS ALLOWED" in Shanghai.
