^ lol, I have never been to China? Sorry but I've got a passport and a couple of visas that indicate otherwise. Interestingly last time I was there I tried watching CNN - somehow I couldnt figure out what channel it was on... Nice to hear you voicing the same sentiments, in the same terms, as the rest of the PRCbots. You are a model citizen.
What is CNN BBC? I guess I missed that mega-merger. BTW, both CNN and BBC were blocked by 'The Golden Shield' (until very recently, at least). I can't confirm that that hasn't changed in the last 6 months, but it was true until recently. Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7312240.stm BBC was unblocked around 2 weeks ago. I'm sure in that period, after years of being prevented the free flow of information, the Chinese people have been able to develop a well rounded view of information outside what the government wants to feed them. And they still use keyword filtering. Search BBC for a story on Tibet and you get a 404 message. Further edit - This is in english only. Try and access the Chinese language version at http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/default.stm and you will be shut out.
I'm not sure you have seen "website" I mentioned in previous post. Unless www.cnn.com is totally a different meida group. And you may also try to click on a few links in other posts. Read more from different kind of channel, then think independently. At least, it doesn't harm.
One minute ago, just browse http://edition.cnn.com/, from China. One image on its home page http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/torch.relay/t1home.sanfrancisco.afp.gi.jpg. One facts, we read news from domestic media, cnn, and many other media like blog, youtube. Maybe you can also have a try, never watch this world from the same angle.
I've been reading (and laughing at) news from Xinhua since I first got on the internet. It is very clearly sanitized heavily to remove even the hint of a reference to anything negative at all about the CPC. Tell me, can you visit: www.amnesty.org www.hrw.org www.tibet.com or www.chinatimes.com.tw ?
Dude, I travel to China every year, I have been able to watch CNN, BBC each time. I would suggest next time you check into a hotel room with cable.
Heard about some of them, just tried again. Can access the first three, but failed with the last one. Believe me, if we want, we definitely can get it. One general rule is every org or person has its own interest, sometime, may not be their original purpose, they will show the better side to you. What you need to do is go to the other side. 15 years ago, I believe when most Chinese people first time get message from western website, everyone just want to jump and shout "I got the truth now". But 15 years passed, we had more chances to read those "truth", finally found the "truth" is just part of truth. Some text copied from tibet.com ============================================= Tibet situation update and please check www.tibet.net His Holiness appeals to the International Community Kashag welcomes Chinese Lawyers' legal help to Tibetans Chinese "demonstrations" at OoT, UK Parliament never happened Declaration by the EU Presidency on the situation in Tibet Latest update on Tibet protests His Holiness reiterates firm commitment to the Middle-Way Policy Chinese immigrant influx in Tibet is a serious threat: British MP ============================================= Some text copied from hrw.com ============================================= China: Leaders Should Not Attend Olympics Without Rights Improvements Leverage Beijing’s Desire for Recognition into Durable Rights Change World leaders should defer accepting invitations to the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing until the Chinese government makes key human rights improvements, Human Rights Watch said in an open letter today. =============================================
Well that is a step in a positive direction then. 6 months ago every one of the websites discussed was totally blocked. If the day ever comes that China eliminates the Propaganda Ministry censorship of CCTV, shuts down the Golden Shield, stops arresting dissidents, and ends 'political reeducation' I will have many more positive things to say about the government.
Dude -You must have been there when it's not blocked - and staying in the few places where it was available. I'm not worried about MY access to unbiased news, however - most chinese aren't staying in expensive hotels where it is available - hence the braincleaning. I know I couldn't get to CNN or BBC .com in 2005. For months.
Free access to information is overrated if one only subjects oneself to conglomerate-controlled media produced distorted, biased, and one-sided news reports. The proof is in the pudding on the subjects of Tibet, Tibet culture, Dalai and his clans.
You, I will never sease to be critical of. I only need to decide whether it would be more appropriate to call you Trader_wnes or bigwnesss. You are so taken with your own ideological jingoistic propaganda that the idea of objective reality is a strange and distand fairy land for you.
It sounds like you are saying that you are for government controlled media as long as it supports your point of view. You are saying you don't believe other media sources since they are biased so you will only accept sources that back your own bias. Why not support free access to information across the board and sample from a lot of media sources?
Too bad Sammy, Xinhua is hardly, if ever, my source of information. If you want to know my reading list of Tibet, I'll be glad to provide.
No, I am saying for the ignorant mass in West, the net effect of free access to media is next to nil.
I'm skimming this thread at random since it is chalk full of garbage, by all sides, but this thread caught my attention. I totally agree that most Americans have little understanding of Chinese history and why the Chinese might think the way they do. While Chinese history is important I think there is a big danger of getting trapped though into history. Into the perception that since China was once carved up by foreign powers that such a thing is likely to happen again and that the rest of the world is against the Chinese. The PRC is a huge economic power and given the interdependence of the World economy it is extremely remote that any major country or coalition will attack the PRC and vice versa. No one is going to war with the PRC anytime soon. For instance in past few years there have been massive protests against the US in Europe and Australia yet none of those countries are going to tgo to war against the US. We are too interdependent of a World for things like that to happen. My own view is that PRC is at a crossroads in regard to it becoming a great modern country and it can go a few different ways. If the PRC continues to try to maintain centralized control it will hamper its development. This is something they intrinsically know as they've already taken many of the reigns on the economy. At the same time a stubborn and belligerant stance towards the rest of world isn't going to be good for it either. While yes the PRC is winning friends with economic might and soft power that has its limits and sooner or later its going to have to acknowledge world opinion. To head off the inevitable "Well the US has lots of problems." Yes the US does and the US is far from perfect which is why you see many Americans criticizing our own leadership in regard to things like thumbing its nose at World opinion. One of the biggest complaints regarding the GW Bush Admin. is that it has greatly diminished goodwill towards the US. Successful countries are not static and evolve and that goes for the US as much as the PRC. The problem I see with the PRC and many of its supporters is rather than acknowledge the need to change is to retrench in the face of criticism and to fall back to nationalistic fears of splittests. Bringing this back to the topic at hand part of why this issue concerns me isn't that I want to see the PRC brought down but that I think it will be a good thing to take up the Dalai Lama on his offer and negotiate with him. It will be a great move to show to the rest of the world, especially the US and Europe, that a great power is magnanimous enough to peacefully negotiate with an opponent. The PRC could set the standard for resolving ethnic conflict but at the moment seems more interested in falling back upon older tactics.
So your solution is to call for more government control? I won't deny that CNN or other western news services have a bias. All news services do. Rather than saying I will counter your bias by just listening to my own why not instead look at a broad range or news services.
