That's funny Sammy, that hardly seem the case. Sautman had several points, of which you answered one (there may have been another, but that was so pathetic that I'm sure it was a parody, because it does you a disfavour). Your first "point" was that the Tibetan language was not taught in Ladakh because it was not Tibet. Incidentally, if Dalai spends more of his CIA money cultivating Tibetan culture as supposed to paying off lobbyists, the language might actually be taught in schools. Oh the irony. And your other "point" was no less than a strawman. Sautman never implied, as you pathetically claimed he did, that the "all Buddhists like whores." He merely stated that prostitution was not absent in Buddhist societies until the Hans came along. Besides, why have prostitution when you can have Tantric sex slaves: http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/EN/deba02.html I must admit to be fairly ignorant of the whole practise. Perhaps you can shed some light on how different this enlightened sex practise is different from me on the couch.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7329040.stm Three dead in Indian 'Tibet' bomb Tibetan protester in Siliguri Siliguri has a high number of Tibetan exiles A powerful explosion has ripped through a house in the Indian state of West Bengal, killing at least three people. A police chief said the dead have not yet been identified, but that they may be Tibetans. The owner of the house, in the town of Siliguri, said that it was rented by a Tibetan exile who said he was using it in connection with a computer business. But the police maintained that after the blast they recovered a large quantity of explosives and detonators. They say that timers were also discovered. Police said those killed were perhaps members of an underground group who had rented the house by providing false identities. The BBC's north-east India correspondent says that Siliguri - in the north of the state of West Bengal - has been used as a base or transit point for a number of rebel groups. Local Kamtapuri tribesmen who want a separate state in northern Bengal are believed to have a presence there, as do Nepalese and Indian Maoists. Tibetan exiles have a huge presence in the town and in the nearby hills of Darjeeling and Kalimpong.
Yes, they never taught any written Tibetan yet the name of the school is in both Tibetan and Chinese. I guess the students dont know how to write their school's name in Tibetan
Read the thread about the Onion article and tell me if you don't think that reaction is over sensitive. As for paranoid I take it you missed the post about that the world would be a sea of nuclear fire before China becomes a democracy. Whether you agree with R2K or not there is not doubting he is providing a great service to Clutchfans. That doesn't mean you have to bow down to him in regards to politis but give the man his due for taking his own time to make sure that non-Houston fans can watch Rox games. But I agree with you fairness is a luxury. My view is the best policy is to take everything you see on an opinion board with a grain of salt.
I didn't read any of that thread cause I know it must be some joke, but I know for a fact different peoples have different sense of humor and tolerance of acceptable jokes. Over-sensitivity, that's always a statement based on arbitrary standards. Don't project other people from your own standard. Now, that's culture for you.
SamFisher will tell you this is a photo-shopped picture. Also, since you disagree with him, he will also say you are a PLA and that you are linked to Nazi Germany.
This is just a curious question, but do you know if they ban speaking Shanghainese in schools in Shanghai? I seemed to remember being force fed mandarin when I was in school (like teachers would harp on you for speaking Shanghai and make you stand in the hall or something) but that was decades ago and my memories ar fuzzy. However, when I went back to China, I do see more and more people (especially the younger crowd) speaking mandarin in casual conversations (in subways, stores, etc.) in Shanghai. I'm not one of the Shanghainese that think we're better than everyone else in China, becuase honestly Shanghai was an insignificant village until very recent history (recent to me is ~150 years) and most "Shanghainese" are just maybe 2-3 generations removed from other places in China. However, if you're Shanghainese, you should have some pride of your city and atleast speak the native dialect while in Shanghai.
^ The same thing is happening in Hong Kong. When I went there in the 1990's I almost never heard Mandarin spoken, I couldn't even talk to some of my relatives who didn't speak English or Mandarin. When I was there in 2005 and 2007 I heard as much Mandarin as Cantonese and had no problem getting around speaking Mandarin.
Its true we are dealing with subjective standards but if people don't like the joke I'm not sure it was worth several pages of angry handwringing over such a throw away joke or to consider that the Onion was creating an international incident over a deliberate slight at the Chinese.
Right - so this photo of an ugly pre-fab CCP building with some Tibetan writing on it means the red-uniformed kids are being taught in Tibetan? That's a lot to read into one picture. But the answer is mandarin - that is the primary language of instruction in state run schools.
Three clumsy Tibetan bombmakers just blew themselves up in India, and so it begins... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7329040.stm
Here's the real reason why Chinese are afraid of the truth on Tibet. It's alright guys. I agree with and repeat any number of empty vapid nationalist lies to avoid going to jail for four years, too. source [rquoter] China activist jailing criticised China's jailing of a prominent rights activist has drawn criticism from an international media advocacy group and the US. Paris-based Reporters Without Borders (RSF) said it was "appalled" by Thursday's ruling to jail Hu Jia for three and a half years and called for a boycott of the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics. "The Chinese justice system has, at the behest of the authorities, thrown oil on the flames just four months ahead of the Olympic Games," the group said in a statement. Hu, 34, a high-profile rights campaigner well known for criticising the government in internet articles and in interviews with the foreign media, was jailed for "incitement to subvert state power". Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said on the sidelines of the Nato summit in Romania on Thursday that the decision "is deeply disturbing to the United States". "It is exactly the kind of decision that we have tried to convince the Chinese is not only not in the interest of human rights, and in the interest of the rule of law, but actually not in China's interest," she said. RSF also urged the European Union to freeze its rights dialogue with China to protest against the prison sentence. Calling Hu "a figurehead of the peaceful struggle to improve respect for human rights in China", the RSF said "the list of Olympic Games prisoners is getting longer while the International Olympic Committee remains desperately silent". "In a sign of protest, we urge the European governments to immediately freeze the constructive dialogue on human rights that has been conducted with China for the past few years," the group said. Rule of law A Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman said the case "has been dealt with in accordance with law". (my note - same line they used when shooting Tibetans) "We will not stop the implementation of law because of the Olympic Games," Jiang Yu, the spokeswoman, said. Hu, who has been involved in civil liberties issues ranging from Aids awareness to environmental rights and Tibet, was found guilty less than two weeks ago and has 10 days to appeal Thursday's sentence. Last year Hu and activist lawyer Teng Biao authored an article accusing Beijing of failing to fulfil a pledge made when bidding for the Olympics that it would improve human rights. Another government critic, Yang Chunlin, was jailed five years on similar charges last month. [/rquoter]
FYI, the Law on Autonomy of Ethnic Regions in PRK prescribes that textbooks in minority characters shall be adopted and minority languages shall be used in the teaching wherever possible in the schools which is mainly for minority students. The regulation of the Tibet Autonomous Region stipulates that in Tibet, Chinese class shall start to learn Tibetan language as well from no later than the fourth grade of elementary school; Tibetan class shall start to learn Chinese as well from no later than the fourth grade of elementary school; students shall master both Chinese and Tibetan when they graduate from high school. In mainland Han ethnic area, students study both Chinese and English from elementary schooling in big cities where the conditions permit, while everyone starts to learn English at least from middle school. For Chinese teaching, stardard Chinese is encouraged to be used by the teachers so that people from China everywhere could communicate with each other. In case you don't know, in my hometown, when my classmates who are from a different city in the same province as mine talk in her local dialects, I just don't understand. Something like Shanghai dialect or Guangdong dialect is totally a foreign language to me. It's unlike the US. My American teachers and friends say Americans from different areas usually don't have a problem to communicate.
I think one of the reasons that you are hearing more people talking in standard Chinese in Shanghai is half of the population there are immigrants from other parts of China now. Then even local people have to talk in an understandable language otherwise they can't communicate with their boss, colleagues or neighbours. Personally I'm glad about that. You know, when I went to Shanghai as a kid many many years ago, I did believe that Shanghainese are foreigners because their language is absolutely unrecognizable to me. It was very inconvenient for a traveler. In the place where I work, less than one tenth of the employees are local people. So of course you don't hear any local dialects. You remind me of my school days. At that time my teacher teaching Chinese was actually required to teach in standard Chinese I think. But many of my other teachers spoke local dialect. It was so funny that some English teachers added their local dialect accent in their English pronunciation. My classmates talked in local dialects except in the Chinese class. Unluckily some of them still didn't master standard Chinese even when they graduated from high school.
THe Law of the PRC also guarantees free speech and a free press - as our Chinese friends like Emperor MFW of the grand MFW dynasty have informed us - PRC laws are not worth the paper they are printed on.
The Law of the PRC guarantees free speech in case it's not against the law, such as something involves racial discrimination, or anything in the government's opinion intends to overthrow the government or hurt the country. I think at least literally it is reasonable. Other countries also do that. Give you an example which happened in the US: "On July 13, Dr. Ali Al-Timimi, a scientist and Islamic fundamentalist preacher, was sentenced to life in prison without parole plus 70 years on charges that he urged Muslim followers in the week following the September 11 terrorist attacks to leave the United States and support Islamic military efforts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Indonesia and Russia. Al-Timimi denied that he made any such appeal. His defense was that he only counseled Muslims that it might be wise to leave the United States because practicing Islam in America would be difficult after September 11, and that they should relocate in an Islamic country where they could freely practice their religion." In fact the Chinese government was once quite sensitive and severe in this aspect decades ago. This has been improved gradually. I often read on internet nowadays negative comments on the government given by Chinese people. I am happy to see the increasing tolerance of the government. Hope it will be better in the future. As for the bilingual education of minorities, as you have read in my post, the government have adopted more detailed regulation and practical measures to insure it not only stay on the paper. frankly speaking, I don't have any friend of tibetan ethnic except I have friend who lived in Tibet. But I have friends of other minority group, such as Uigurs. They did receive bilingual education.
SamFisher think they are linked to Nazi Germany too because they wear red-uniform and go to a ugly pre-fab CCP building for school. You forgot to post your Nazi gathering picture though, Sam.
Marcus Camby has a tattoo of Chinese characters on his arm. That doesn't mean he speaks Chinese. Same thing with Tibetan schools. A few scrawls of Tibetan or Sanskrit on the front doesn't mean much as compared to the mandarindoctrination going on inside. Farewell little tibbies!
Do you mean they are linked to Nazi Germany if they learn mandarin but they are not Nazi if they don't? Please clarify.
