I don't think using Iraq is a good point here. I would guess that most of the "anti" China people here were also against the Iraqi war. I think if America truly wanted to set an example, they would cede more lands to the Native people who lived here before the European conquest. Gambling rights, reservations, and letters of apology aren't quite enough. At the very least, the US could cede several states over to the native tribes.
Those pics are pretty disgusting but drive home the point. I think the west, by and large, is not going to provide much fair coverage on this issue. China is an easy target (much justified) and this is one of the few emotional issues that both the "free tibet" liberals and "anti-commie" conservatives can agree on. You can be sure that if Yao were not injured, he would probably be getting booed quite a bit right now.
since we are sharing extremely graphic photos, here's a nice picture of PRC restraint Monk shot through back of the head, execution style GRAPHIC photo Spoiler
Even if that photo were real, Sam, doesn't it only prove that your "peace-loving non-violent" Tibetans are really no better than the Commies? Besides, even if the police fired at rioters, and that's still a big if at this point, with no independent proof, aren't they just doing their job in protecting the life and property of law-abiding citizens? In the LA riots of 1992, eight rioters were shot by law enforcement and two by National Guardsmen. As Professor Sautman pointed out in his article above: "Western elites have thus widely condemned China for suppressing riots that these elites would never allow to go unsuppressed in their own countries."
I wonder if they sent a bill for the bullet to the monastery after they executed the monk in the photo - a classy, traditional touch of the CCP.
Typical nonsense Sammy Fish reply to a pointed question. Now to your wonder, I say it is not much different from funding this country's law enforcement by taxing the general public, including those that were executed in gas chambers and on *Old Sparky*.
See - this is the difference between you and me - we should close all of our death chambers, in my opinion. I am not afraid to admit that the US is wrong on that, and should cease it, immediately. As for you - it's PRC, right or wrong, all tibetans are evildoers and anybody who was shot deserved it (or the photo was doctored or whatever). You, here in your adopted country, will freely exercise your rights to criticize, criticize, criticize americans of every political persuasion, in vile insulting terms - then the second anybody says anything about China, you fly off the handle and go insane, and lecture us about how chinese aren't mature enough handle democracy and backwards feudal tibetans and blah blah blah. If we suck so much why do you live here? What makes you so superior to your backward mainland country bumpkins who you left behind so that you are entitled to participate in a political process and they are not? What makes you superior to us in that you can comment on the US politics but we can't comment on anything else? I would ask you what makes you superior to Tibetans but we have already heard your answer on that a thousand times, they are backwards feudalists, blah blah blah. You try to claim solidarity with the average PRC'er in the street, yet your air of superiority betrays you, my friend. You're like Mitt Romney claiming to hunt varmints.
Tough times for China right now ~ economy is starting to flounder, high levels of pollution, and now the massacre in Tibet. How long until we start seeing Olympic boycotts?
I don't think wnes claimed at anytime that all Tibetans are evildoers and should be shot. Likewise, no one here is pro-genocide. A lot of us just believe that the rioters in Tibet are wrong and that the Western media is not really giving us a balanced view of things. I doubt the the state-run Chinese media is either. BTW- the Dalai Lama has even condemned the rioters and threatened resignation if they don't cease. That is a pretty strong threat.
Tourists speak of shock and fear at Tibet riots, London Times “I agree that the Tibetans have their own culture, but I can't agree with what people did. After a while, it was not about Tibetan freedom any more.”
The economy and stock market will not rise at same acceleration rate forever. The pause and correction will only help it grow healthier. With the pressure of inflation, it's a good opportunity and challenge for the government to deal with polarization in China, also transform from manufacture to service-oriented, and invest more in technology. Meanwhile, the government should pass tougher environment laws and make local government to enforce those laws more strictly. It will benefit all Chinese. As for the massacre in Tibet now as you mentioned, committed by rioters to other Chinese in the name of "religious freedom" or "free Tibet", I think the majority of Chinese including Tibetan Chinese will punish those criminals according to law. I don't think Chinese government is able to gain any money from such event like Olympics, especially after they announced to provide free traval, accommodation, and food for all participants in special Olympics. If US is boycotting the Olympics, a large chunk of the money can be saved, to improve environment. Yao Ming could actually have a chance for a bronze medal. Please take the leadership to start such petition.
Hey Sam, look at the real execution style. The hole cannot be that small. http://bbs2.people.com.cn/bbs/ReadFile?whichfile=38897&typeid=93
Sam's photo is pretty much a perfect example of what an entry wound from a handgun into soft tissue looks like.
Way to misrepresent, distort, and generalize, Sammy. I never said all Tibetans are evildoers, but I maintain those extreme and violent fanatic Dalai Lama supporters are criminals and deserve to be dealt with justly. I don't know if I am truly freely exercising my rights to comment on US politics, world affairs, or anything else on an internet bbs. For one, this board is censored, whether you admit it or not. Second, internet on the whole is being monitored. The difference between freedom of speech and freedom after speech apparently is lost on you. There are plenty of things going on in PRC that need and should be criticized. I am not blind to my birth country's shortcomings and wrong doings. But the way China is portrayed in the mainstream U.S. media is virtually nothing but negative, this is what I have my problem with. As someone who has traveled extensively to China and claimed to have studied Chinese history, you are supposed to be a person who understands a thing or two about China that has evolved in the last thirty years, that it has made tremendous progresses in many areas, despite lagging in others compared to more developed countries. Yet all your China-related posts, filled with bias and hatred, carry an anti-China agenda. Sure I have bashed many U.S. politicians over the years but I also have defended and supported a number of others. The same can't be said about you when you are on the topic of China. Further, I maintain a consistent stance on all the issues I debate, including favoring racial integration, territorial integrity of a sovereign nation, progressive economic and social policies, non-interventionist foreign policies, fair journalism, and not favoring protectionism, fundamentalist religions, etc. You, on the other hand, are all over the map. You are against Bush's war in Iraq and in supportive of U.S. imperialism elsewhere at other times. As a non-religious liberal, you are (I assume) not fond of slavery of blacks in the U.S. and fundamentalist clergies and politicians, yet you are such an oozy defender of Dalai Lama and his old theocratic Tibetan regime and his pursuit of "racial purity of Tibet." There is only one explanation to your conflicting stance, Fish, you are a nothing but hypocritical, hateful, racist Sinophobe in a small pond known as Clutchfans.net.
My understanding is that if you are hit with bullets from a military/police type modern high velocity medium caliber rifle there is usually significant and noticeable damage to the tissue around the point of entry. I can't confirm this from personal experience, fortunately, but that is my understanding. I didn't say it was execution style, either. But now that you mention it, I remember reading that at one point the US Mafia used to do executions using a silenced .22 to the base of the neck at the back. The choice of location severed the spinal cord just below the brain stem, so it killed you as effectively or more effectively than a shot to the cerebrum (see Phineas Gage) without sending 'raspberry jelly' all over the place like an explosively shattered skull would do (see John F. Kennedy).
