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  1. Troy McClure

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    Oh and Bush wont be able to use the " low expectations" thing like he did with al gore in 2000. Remember that article where it said he loved when people would call him dumb, because if he strung two sentences together in the debate, theyll think he's a genius? Well I think people will expect more from their President this time around.
     
  2. MacBeth

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    But will they get it?
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html

    The latest polls from Survey USA, published today, have some potentially good news for Edwards and Clark.

    Edwards looks to be pulling away in South Carolina and looks to be making a play for Oklahoma. He's also pulling into a stronger position in Missouri, though Kerry still leads easily there.

    Clark, meanwhile, holds his lead in OK (barely) and is in range to pull off a possible update in AZ.

    South Carolina:

    Edwards 34
    Kerry 17
    Clark 16
    Sharpton 12
    Dean 9
    Lieberman 4

    Oklahoma:

    Clark 29
    Edwards 27
    Kerry 26
    Dean 7

    Arizona:

    Kerry 34
    Clark 28
    Dean 18
    Lieberman 7
    Edwards 7

    Missouri:

    Kerry 44
    Edwards 20
    Dean 15
    Clark 6

    Delaware:

    Kerry 42
    Dean 12
    Edwards 11
    Lieberman 10
    Sharpton 9
    Clark 9

    Best situation for Clark: Win Oklahoma and Arizona. Pass Kerry for second in SC.

    Best situation for Edwards: Win SC (must have) and Oklahoma. Move into strong second in Missouri and Delaware.

    If Kerry loses SC, OK and AZ, this race might not be over yet. Incidentally, I hope it's not.
     
  4. basso

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    batman, interesting stuff on the dean campaign here.

    an excerpt:

    ThroughMonday, thousands of grassroots supporters continue restocking the Dean campaign with cash. As I reported here recently, in the 72 hours after New Hampshire more than 10,000 supporters contributed almost $70 each—for a total of $680,000 in three days. This shows the power of the large numbers of people that can easily touch the campaign through the web. I don’t know what will happen next, but I can say that numbers suggest that the grassroots can completely reload the campaign with cash if they want to.
     
  5. MadMax

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_02_01_corner-archive.asp#024351

    Exit Polling Data So Far (YOU GUYS NEED TO NOMINATE EDWARDS!):


    Posted at 01:47 PM

    KERRY'S COMFORTABLE. EDWARDS RISING. [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    According to sources, the early exit polls in most of the states are in, and they look like:

    AZ Kerry 46, Clark 24, Dean 13.
    MO Kerry 52, Edwards 23, Dean 10
    SC Edwards 44, Kerry 30, Sharpton 10
    OK Edwards 31, Kerry 29, Clark 28
    DE Kerry 47, Dean 14, Lieberman 11, Edwards 11

    Stay tuned today to see if these preliminary numbers hold when the polls close.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    You lawyers always stick together, huh? :) Actually, as I may have posted many moons ago, I'm a big Edwards fan. He's a close friend of one of my close friends in NC. I haven't met Edwards, but I trust the first-hand stories I've heard of his character and his motivation.
     
  7. No Worries

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    OK looks to be a mild upset for Edwards if those numbers hold.
     
  8. basso

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    OK looks fun- can clark stay in the race if he doesn't win at least one state today?
     
  9. MacBeth

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    Highly doubtful.
     
  10. basso

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    yeah, i don't think so either, but i'm having a hard time envisioning his withdrawing with grace...
     
  11. MadMax

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    the fact he's a lawyer really doesn't mean much to me...most of the lawyers i know, i would never vote for!

    but i like the guy, from what i've seen. i'm particularly persuaded to the idea of child health care to make sure that's taken care of. something about him resonates with me. maybe 'cause he's from the south??? i'm not sure. that worked for clinton when i was 18! :)

    one of my closest friends is a youth pastor at my church...he comes from a social worker background from boulder, colorado and typically identifies himself as a moderate liberal...he's all about edwards. says he's the only candidate on either side of the aisle he'd be excited to vote for.
     
  12. wrath_of_khan

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    More exit polls (can't verify the validity of this -- but it was e-mailed to me by someone I trust):

    Edison Group (for: FoxNews, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP)
    2 PM EST

    ARIZONA
    Kerry - 44
    Clark - 26
    Edwards - 8
    Lieberman - 5

    SOUTH CAROLINA
    Edwards - 44
    Kerry - 30
    Sharpton - 10
    Clark - 8
    Dean - 6
    Lieberman - 3

    OKLAHOMA
    Edwards - 32
    Kerry - 30
    Clark - 28
    Lieberman - 6
    Dean - 3

    MISSOURI
    Kerry - 53
    Edwards- 23
    Dean - 10
    Gephardt - 4
    Lieberman - 3
    Sharpton - 2
    Clark - 2

    DELAWARE
    Kerry - 47
    Dean - 15
    Lieberman - 12
    Edwards - 11
    Clark - 9
    Shaprton - 6
     
  13. Batman Jones

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    Wow. Thanks, khan.

    Goodbye Lieberman, hello Edwards.

    The big story is Edwards. The second big story is what Clark does next. If he drops out, the next debate will be Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Sharpton, Kucinich. That would be a fun debate.
     
  14. No Worries

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    Hey those polls don't have Kucinich's numbers!!! ;)

    Next debate should only have candidates with delegates: Kerry, Edwards, and Dean.
     
  15. No Worries

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    Edwards, Clark Hope to Slow Surging Kerry
    Feb 3, 4:52 PM (ET)
    By RON FOURNIER

    ...

    In Oklahoma, Kerry and Edwards were fighting for first against Clark, who identified the state as his best hope.

    Clark's supporters were braced for a bad night. "I think the general is about to meet Sitting Bull," said David Paterson, Senate Minority Leader of the New York legislature and a Clark backer.

    At Clark's Oklahoma City headquarters, the candidate's 34-year-old son, Wesley Clark Jr., told reporters he wanted his father to quit the race if he did not win Oklahoma.

    "It's really been disillusioning. You go out and see the way politics really works. It is a dirty business filled with a lot of people pretending to be a lot of things they are not," Clark's son said.

    ...
     
  16. bamaslammer

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    I guess after tonight the field will be narrowed further. I'm sure several of you are boo-hooing that your boy Clark got massacred. I think his unbelievable gaffes and questions about why he was let go early from his final command finally caught up to him.
     
  17. basso

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    it's a lot like basketball- for instance, Steve Francis pretends he's a point guard and he's not...what a bummer, my TV just died! no instant fox news analysis tonight...
     
  18. wrath_of_khan

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    If Edwards wins two states tonight, it's a HUGE story. Especially since his argument that he can appeal in the South and the others can't will have some hard evidence.

    That could prolong the nomination fight. I'm just not sure if Edwards will get the boost in fundraising he needs at this point --even with two victories tonight.

    We'll see.

    It's interesting -- I wrote Edwars off MONTHS ago.
     
  19. Batman Jones

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    CBS reports Edwards has won SC by a comfortable margin. Kerry second. Everyone else bunched up low -- Sharpton not a factor. That says to me Edwards did well with the black vote. Good news for him.
     
  20. wrath_of_khan

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    I read somewhere that the SC Dem primary electorate was expected to be up to half black. If that's true, then it's interesting to see Edwards doing well among that constituency.

    I think that Edwards needed a big win in SC. A squeaker wouldn't have done it for him.
     

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