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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. Vivi

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    Because our D isn't bad because of Clint, it's bad because of Harden and Westbrook plus McLemore/House being in the starting 5.

    - Westbrook needs to play smarter and not go full Brewer.

    - Harden needs to move his ass.

    - Tilman need to pay the tax.

    - Morey needs to find a defensive minded wing good enough to start on a contending team.

    Adding another matador defender like Love to this already awful defensive lineup isn't really going to help, in fact it's going to make it even worse, which is something i'm not sure some of you guys consider possible, but i think it is.

    In my mind, when we'll be healty, our offense won't be a problem, Harden and Westbrook will alway find ways to score and make the other guys score, but defensively, that's where we should improve.
     
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  2. malakas

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    well we will never be an elite defence this year so what should we? Give up ?

    At least top offence with middle of the pack defence is a way forward.
     
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  3. Vivi

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    The problem imo is that Love not only would make our defense even worse, but he's going to be a Ryan Anderson here, with the occasional post up, sure, but i have a feeling some people thinks Love here, in 2020, would make us some sort of three headed monster like the Lebron's Heat or the Warriors...that's not happening.
     
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  4. malakas

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    No matter what happens during the trade deadline we will not get Jesus here, to make a miracle and turn this team into a defensive juggernaut.

    So the old saying "good defences win championships" is already useless and our only hope is to prove it wrong.
     
  5. YOLO

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    oh i know this team won't. that's why i posted earlier the thinking for some is to try to get your offense a higher ceiling and take your chances with that. even though that isn't gonna work either, so it's basically pick your poison.

    but again hou has Tilman as an owner. nothing significant is going to happen guys. i don't know why people are seemingly expecting some big moves
     
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  6. Vivi

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    ...which won't happen :D

    Then again i agree, the big name isn't coming obviously, but a Robert Covignton tier of player would absolutely help in that aspect. Then i don't know if that's possible to get with the assets we have (i think it is), and i don't know if Tilman is willing to pay the tax for that kind of player (i don't think so), but still, would be good enough to make a substantial upgrade for the team and the defense specifically, i mean, we're literally starting McLemore next to Harden and Westbrook...
     
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  7. Nook

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    Realistically the Rockets are a really good defensive wing and a good defensive bench player away from being an elite defensive team.

    Harden is fine defensively, the problem is that they went from an elite defender at PG to a mediocre one and Tucker is old and playing too many minutes and House is just not a good player. Add someone like Covington and the defense becomes quite good.
     
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  8. mike2k132

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    yep. more then one way to skin a cat
     
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    Love isn't as bad on defense as everyone makes him out to be. I remember the details episode where kobe broke down how love was using the right hands and had great positioning alot of the times. What pisses me off about our situation now is that we can't fill in a hole without creating another one. Unless we honestly get a serviceable defensive Center i have no idea how it would even be worth it for us to trade Capela right now. Our owner is also trying to stay under the cap?
    I feel like Les purposely sold the team to Tilman knowing he would F* things up.
     
  10. Nook

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    The best bet for the Rockets is to see if they can deal Capela + Nene in a multi team deal that brings them Covington, another wing and a reserve center like Nerlens Noel and/or Markieff Morris.

    They can move up to two firsts and some second rounders if they want or need to.

    The defense would be vastly improved and the possible match ups improved. The depth and rotation as well.

    Tucker would absorb more minutes and the 5 and Morris or Noel are certainly capable.
     
  11. mike2k132

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    plus to use another football analogy...
    ur offense can be ur defense.

    lots of times when u go up against the warriors or the chiefs that put so much stress on the opposing team. that other tram starts to do things out of character to try and keep up.


    another recent example before the injuries in dallas this your the mavs was looking super good. were they a elite defensive team...no.

    thier offense through luka like thrpugh hardrn was so devastating teams just couldn't keep up and they will break the other teams will
     
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    You can’t ship Capela out without bringing back another center. If the Rockets make a trade it needs to be multiple players to grab a PF, C, and wing. Go big or go home.
     
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    Mike, please read carefully. Rockets are sending Capela to Celtics, Celtics send Gordon Hayward to Magic, AG to Rockets. No one is saying Rockets have anything that Magic want or need.

    This 3 team trade provides an elite defensive 5 for BOS who is similar in age to their core of Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart. Clint is plug and play, clear upgrade to Theis and Kanter and would allow Celts to compete better vs. the bigs on 76ers, Raptors, Bucks, Heat, Pacers, Nets.

    Magic need an alpha scorer and if you are following the local talk shows and media outlets you would know that their is much lament that Heat were able to go from out of the postseason to competing for East title in less than 1 offseason. Heat were able to do this by signing alpha scorer like Jimmy Butler to pair him with their young talent while Orlando reloaded with same young roster.

    Adding Gordon Hayward a prolific scorer and passer who actually is a natural SF (AG and Isaac have both played the 3 spot but both are natural 4's) will add another 3 point specialist and spacer to team. Magic are struggling mightily to score, especially from 3.
     
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    Not shipping out Capela for just Covington.

    GTFO here with the Covington love and just overrating a guy who’s basically a glorified Ariza.

    We better get a couple of rotation guys that can truly help our team in the next 2-3 years if were shipping out Capela.
     
  15. Nook

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    I don’t think the trade would be Capela straight up for Covington. It would be Covington plus another rotation player.

    Covington is a far better defender than Capela though. He is a top 5-10 most valuable defender in the league. He can cover every single position on the floor defensively. He would make a huge difference. Adding another rotation piece would make a big difference as well. Packaging Nene and Capela would let us financially add Covington AND $8,000,000 more in salary.
     
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    Receipts?

    I'm rarely ever this rude, but you're quite obviously one of the least educated posters on this board. Your arrogance is extremely unwarranted considering your actual lack of basketball knowledge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

    This wikipedia page will gladly explain to the rest of these people as to why Mike thinks he's such a basketball genius. It's because he doesn't have the mental capacity to analyze himself from an outside perspective.

    Kevin Love for Capela is probably the worst hill you could possibly die on. Your canoe flipped, and you're swimming in piss. Your white noise is a s*** stain on this board for most of us.
     
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  17. Vivi

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    He's not terrible but he's still bad, just not good enough for us anyway, that's point, i could think about taking Love if i'd have 3/4 very good defenders around him, or at least a solid defensive system.

    The problem is this team has maybe two good defenders in the starting lineup, and defense overall is just not considered important enough here between the staff and the players, imo at least...now add Love to that and good luck making it past the second round, if not the first.
     
  18. BigggReddd

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    And we thought Holic was bad:rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  19. mike2k132

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    so basically I'm a stable genius lol...ok ill take it. it work for the commander in chief
     
  20. Reeko

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    I knew u would bring them up...guess what, we’re not the Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and that was like 20 years ago

    an already proven championship squad with Kobe and Shaq that took the regular season off defensively, and the Lebron led Cavs who were getting smashed, but managed to come back from a 3-1 deficit for the 1st time in finals history...That’s what u want to bank on?
     

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