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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Right. We aren't going to be a cap team again in the Harden/Paul era most likely. If we are it means something has gone horribly wrong.
     
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  2. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Capela would be a Base Year Compensation (BYC) player, meaning he'd only count at 50% of his new salary for "outgoing salary" purposes in trades but would count 100% as incoming salary to the other team. That makes trades tricky to pull off and usually requires additional salaries be added on both sides to make the math work.

    Regardless, I don't see a Capela S&T in the cards. The Rockets would likely prefer to keep him, even on a big contract.
     
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  3. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I agree, we just don't know the threshold. That was what I was saying.
     
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  4. JayZ750

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    Ahhh... always so complicated!! So in short, for any trade purposes. A S&T involving receiving a S&T'd player back hard-caps the Rockets. And in any S&T, the BYC status complicates things.

    As an example then, if Capela is S&T'd at $22.5 million a year for a player under contract, he'd count as $11.25 million going out for the Rockets and $22.5 million coming in for the opposing team?? Which kind of means you'd have to trade him to a team with cap space to absorb the difference??

    In any case, your conclusion has to be right.
     
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  5. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Yes, basically. BYC status is for those players who re-sign for more than a 20% raise AND the re-signing team (in this case, the Rockets) would be over the cap following signing the contract.

    Trades don't necessarily HAVE to be into cap room. Teams could construct a large enough trade (involving several salaries on both sides) for the math to work. But yes, trades into cap room are simpler.
     
  6. JayZ750

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    Yep, gotcha.

    I just don't see what leverage the Rockets have... assuming the goal is to win a championship then.

    Basically, no real viable trade options. If CC takes the QO... which if I was him, I'd strongly consider... sure there is injury risk, but he could get some insurance for that. Rockets are win now and need Clint. No reason to believe he won't be even better next year, or at least the same. More teams with cap space next year and not like a ton of amazing free agents available.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    I don’t really care about Melo’s rights next year. Dude is old. Would rather have Luc and Melton signed now for this year and next. Melo can come for the minimum if he wants and if he comes, he can stay for the minimum next year if he wants.
     
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    This is exactly why Capela has more to lose than the Rockets. Remember, he has never signed a long term deal before, he is faced with the prospect of losing out on tens of millions of dollars. Get hurt, get benched, just a down year? Crazier things have happened. In fact looking at that list, its likely to happen. Versus the Rockets losing 5 to 10 extra games? We'll live. This is the rest of Capela's life we are talking about. Again, see: Donatas Montiejunas.
     
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    This is real money we are talking about. Put yourself in Capela's shoes. Gauranteed $50 to $60m, or chance for $80m to 90m but also could turn into $10m.

    No one is giving up $50 million, especially when your last contract was rookie scale. He's not opting out.
     
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  10. JayZ750

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    I can't speak exactly to what kind of insurance is available... but know he can get some insurance against injury.

    Otherwise, relative to RFAs, he's seemingly in as good a position as any have been relative to signing a QO. Given the state of the team, he's unlikely to have a down year. They need him to win and to anchor the defense. He's improved every year. He's still very young. There's lots of team with FA money next year, and the cap may jump at least a little next year whereas its been flat recently. If the Rockets are offering like 4 years at $60 and there's a really chance he can get 4 years at $80-$95 next year, its potentially worth the risk for him for sure.
     
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    Even tho he has stated over and over again that he will?
     
  12. treyk3

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    You talk to him directly? If so ,will he testify to saying this? Seems like hearsay regardless. He didn’t come for the MLE this year and most likely he’s not next year either.
     
  13. justtxyank

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    HE has never said that. Internet rumors have said it.
     
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    If CC becomes a 4 YR $80-$95 player, the Rockets win the championship going away. That would mean Capela could initiate his own offense in the post, dominate a smaller man, make FTs, AND develop a reliable jump shot (of any range). Though he competes hard, is a plus defender, and is a dynamic, difficult cover in the PnR, Capela would have to have more game to add that extra $20 million. That said, he's been growing a lot each year. I'd love to see it happen.
     
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    Embiid got 148 million/5. Yet you are saying Capela to get paid 80-95 mil he will have to be like him. Plus healthy on top of it?
     
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    Luc to Clips smh.
     
  17. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    We got a cheap owner
     
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    WHAT ARE WE DOING..bye Luc :-(
     
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    Fakk we lost Luc to the clips!
     
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