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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

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    I'm not dubious on him, but I understand implicitly what he is and is not. A guy in the information flow a bit, that has access to others in even deeper. Not a magician.

    Even though that's pretty much obvious, think it'd be helpful it there was like a stickied thread or link that gave a description of the insiders and a relative definition of what type of insider they are and likelihood of correctness so to speak.

    For example, if cybrex is accurate say 30% of the time... I mean that's better than guessing, but not much better than educated guessing.

    And frankly, the value of a cybrex isn't in his rightness or wrongness, to me... or the interesting aspects of him... its in the random comments he gets from his information flow that are probably closer to 1%-5% likelihoods if that, but at least point to how interesting the chatter can get (eg. the Butler comment).
     
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  2. malakas

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    I sure hope we stay away from Butler. I don't want him here at all.
    It's not 1+1 = 2 with him. It's a sure recipe for lockeroom and chemistry problems.
     
  3. Fyreball

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    Agreed. I don't trust that he'd be able to put his ego aside to make it work with Harden and Paul.
     
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  4. oelman44

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    This is a new age. Max's aren't reserved for a young KD or Giannis. If aging Chandler Parsons and Mike Conley get max deals, a 24-year old Capela definitely does. Yes, the max hasn't continued skyrocketing as high as we thought since Alex Crabbe and Kent Bazemore got huge deals, but I'd argue Capela is significantly more valuable than every one of those players.

    I agree with you about his limitations, and can see why people would think that makes him not a max player. But here's the thing - the stuff he isn't good at just isn't that valuable in the modern day NBA. Yeah, Capela isn't great at creating his own shot on the block, but do the Rockets really want anybody other than Hakeem slowing down the offense with inefficient post offense?

    I'd argue that Capela fits our offense better than any center in the league - his skill-set and strengths perfectly fit out offense. So even if you think he isn't valuable in that he isn't a go-to offensive star, I'd counter with the fact that Capela individually bring more value to our team than practically any other center would.

    I'm not 100% against moving on if we can get a replacement, but I don't think finding a competent Clint substitute will be as easy as everyone thinks. In my opinion, Capela's defense is far more valuable than that of PG or Jimmy Butler, especially in the "switch-everything" world.
     
  5. saleem

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    It won't be easy to replace his switching on defense/ rebounding and especially his shot blocking. If he didn't struggle that much against Draymond, I would be more willing to offer him the max. To his credit, he fought hard in Game 7. Houston has to start with CP3 first, and go from there.
     
  6. Nook

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    He doesn't move the ball at all. The offense often bogs down with him. He is a fine defensive player and gives great effort but not the type of difference maker on the offensive side that some seem to think for a team like the Rockets. He isn't going to keep the Rockets from getting blown out in the third quarters of game 6 or 7.

    Besides, as long as Thibs exerts control in Minnesota, Butler isn't going anywhere.

    A lot of miles on that body as well.
     
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  7. Nook

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    Depends on what you get in exchange. If Capela is the price to get James or George, I will do it. I can likely find someone that will do an "okay" job at the 5. James or George both are excellent fits for the Rockets defense and the overall defense may surprise you.
     
  8. ROXTXIA

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    I've heard some of the same about him. I met some former Chicagoans (?), now Houstonians. The teenage kid of the group looked just like Jimmy Butler. Aged 17. He'd been labeling Butler a bit of a prima donna (or "pre-Madonna" as someone once posted about someone else, much to my snobbery). I told him this was ironic. It was like looking at the young Jimmy Butler trash-talking his future self.

    Thing is, I don't know what to believe with these things. Does he just need to latch onto the right situation? Or is he a locker room cancer interested only in touches / stardom what-have-you?

    By the way, good to see you posting frequently, malakas, from Crete or wherever you are.
     
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  9. saleem

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    I certainly would do it for Lebron without any hesitation. Paul
    George is a two way veteran, unlike the primarily one sided Clint.

    However, I'm not entirely sold on him, because he only shows flashes of his former explosive ability, prior to his horrible injury. The manner in which he faded out vs a relatively weak Utah Jazz gives me cause for concern too. OKC doesn't need Clint anyway, with Adams to man the fort.
     
  10. Nook

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    I agree with you on Paul George fading, he isn't a top 10-15 player in the NBA..... he is a legitimate elite player, but not a franchise player. I would still role the dice though and deal Capela/filler for George because of the overall upside of the deal. Capela wouldn't necessarily stay in OKC.
     
  11. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Pro Tip as we are here in Free Agent rumor season.......

    1) Consider the source. And their agenda.
    2) Consider the context of the information. Nuance matters.
     
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    3) Know that when people "quote" podcasts, tv appearances, etc. they often put their own bias on it.
    Example: Woj says something like "Lebron won't have a conversation with Paul George about the Lakers while the finals are happening so that would be a conversation for later on, maybe closer to July if it happens at all"
    Laker fan transcript: Woj: Lebron and Paul George to discuss teaming up with Lakers closer to July 1
     
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  13. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Yes, but to roll it up, "source" includes "Woj" and "Laker Fan." So that goes back to what I am saying with sources, context and nuance.
     
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    not surprising considering the volume

    its well known the % decreases with the increase of attempts per game
     
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    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Do they have to be basketball people to break things though? TMZ breaks sports stuff. Not saying that source is credible.
     
  18. heypartner

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    You mean Pete Zayas, not the person reprinting the story, right?

    From the link:

    Pete Zayas From Lakers Film Room – whose credentials have been tweeted out on the main Lakers account – said on the Under the Buss Podcast, he was told by four sources LeBron James is going to be a Laker this summer:​

    “I have had four different sources in the entertainment industry, none of them been basketball people … LeBron is coming [to the Lakers with Paul George] he has had to put X, Y, and Z in motion from a marketing standpoint.”​
     
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    You mentioned the offensive side. He matches what we want to do defensively even better. He allows for our "Switch everything" defense. What other big can guard a guard at the perimeter?
     
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    fwiw: here's Pete Zayas tweet about his "four sources" comments from the podcast linked to in the article







    He seems like a cool guy, and has become successful enough as a fan doing Laker Play Videos, that he gets invited to practices and makes enough off his play videos that he was able to quit his day job in Dec 2017, to do it full time. He seems slightly worried about losing access over a quote he says was taken out of context.
     
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