Gotta disagree with you on this. The Rockets were trying VERY hard last year to move into the top 10. They also scouted ALL of the top guys diligently. They do that as a matter of course, even when they aren't necessarily looking to draft a guy. Yet another example of Les providing resources to make the Rockets a more data-rich franchise. And Jordan Hill played just as many years at Arizona as Patterson played at Kentucky. Three. I stand by my comments (although I'd be willing to concede on Hill's ranking by 1-2 spots).
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Bima, u know morey plays the p.r. game very well. Saying he was 6th when he couldve been had in the 20's is my thoughts. I like patterson and will holdout judgement on him. My only issue is he's another get along type. In high school it was mayo and in college it was the freshman class. Sometimes, you want guys with more fight in them before giving it up. There is something to a guy wanting to be really good or great vs a guy who just accepts.
too bad. Rockets did not move into top 10 last year or they could find their franchise player already.
I really like Patterson as a player, he doesn't have superstar potential, but I could very easily see him being as good as or better than Landry. He's not undersized, all of his measurements check out, and he has a good professional attitude. I do have a problem with the current logjam at the 4. I'm assuming we have to make a move because we still don't have a true center to defend the paint when Yao's not on the court, and not enough minutes to go around. I'm gonna reserve judgement to see what we do with the rest of the offseason, but like i said i really like Patterson.
Morey is saying by the sabremetrics numbers patterson was the 6th most valuable player in the draft. this was clearly BPA. patterson should never have dropped to us he was a top 10 pick this year and last year. I actually agree that he's a "get along" guy and that's one of the reason he was so highly valued by Morey. he's a "get along" type like Landry was, like Brooks is, like Yao and Scola are. All dudes who will sit on the bench or do what the team needs from him His public perception and draft stock was hurt by playing with Cousins this year. Cousins is a loudmouth attention w**** like Shaq and Patterson who's more chill seemed like a shrinking violet compared to his antics.
I don't think it's a pr game. He could have done the same for the last rookie PF that he acquired. Instead of saying Hill was 6th on his draft board, he admits that Hill was projected at 10th-20th, which is 2-12 draft spots lower than his 8th draft position for the Knicks. He could have said Jordan Hill was rated 6th on his draft board, as a PR move, in the Rockets post-trade press conference. Many fans weren't excited about getting Hill for T-Mac. By saying Hill should have been a 10th-20th spot, it made the trade look even worse.
Patterson is nothing like Jordan Hill Patterson is a polished player with more existing offensive skills and defensive understanding than Hill we got Hill primarily because we wanted to get rid of Tmac. it's not like Morey was jocking on Hill and pulled the trade simply to get him
No reason to lie about where you have a guy ranked after just drafting him. I suppose if anything you would lie and say you had them ranked higher to increase their trade value (unlikely though unless other GMs are r****ded)... but we drafted him at 14, so he had to have been ranked at least 14 by Morey. On the other hand, Hill. If anything Morey would've said he was ranked higher than he actually ranked him, not lower, for the same reasons. So if Morey "says" he's ranked 10-20... hypothetically he could be even lower than that. So the point made that Morey likes Patterson over Hill as a prospect has some truth. Again... I would take Morey's claims in this case as they are. There isn't really any reason to lie about how good you thought a player was once he's already on your team.
1) Don't presume you know how DM acts when you have no insider info on the guy 2) You don't know how much intel DM had or didn't have. Workouts aren't the only thing that show you're familiar or not.
^^^^ Morey lie just like all the other gms in the league. Landry is a perfect example. Before i go any further, i repeat, i dont have a problem with the drafting of patterson. My statement was he wasnt the 6th best player in the draft. By saying a guy is the 6th rated player is basically saing patterson is going to be a 6 time all star. He's just a solid bench player.
I don't. I just listen to Morey's interviews, in which he stated the bolded point. And it's not like what I said is rocket science either. It makes sense from a common sense perspective. See: Griffin, Eddie. You want to read what the Rockets knew of the guy when they drafted him? Let me give you a hint. It's somewhere between zilch and very little. Again, this is based on what Morey says in his interviews. Indeed, workouts aren't the only thing. But if you have almost no college info and no scouting info, how do you judge a player? Morey doesn't exactly have stolen tapes of other teams' workouts and interviews.
Hill was taken at 8th because NY could not get Curry whom they were coveting However, good to hear that the Rockets would have taken Patterson at 9-13 too Always like defenders and two way players
He did not accept and sit and twiddle his thumb throughout the season. He worked hard and developed a college 3-pt shot. The guy played center his 1st two seasons, and adjusted his game to played PF in his 3rd. His scoring and rebounding came down, but he scored a higher FG% (despite taking more jumpers) and became more efficient. I think PP's ceiling is higher than people think. He has decent high, good athleticism, developed a shot in his 3rd year of college, and is a hard worker with the right attitude.
I don't see what this has anything to do with Jordan Hill. Hill was an enigma coming out of college. He was drafted based almost solely on his athleticism, and whatever stuff he said in interviews that made people like him. We're not talking about Stephen Curry or Brandon Jennings here, both of which were much more projectable on the next level than Hill. Patterson also worked out for the Rockets. He interviewed with the Rockets. Jordan Hill? Not so much. Considering Morey is never going to tell us what his draft board looked like last year anyway, it's not like anyone can disprove or confirm such statement. And like I said, it doesn't really matter anyway at this point. Whatever morey may think of Hill at draft time, he obviously knows A LOT MORE about Hill today. Enough to get a more accurate reading on the kid.
