18 "basketball experts" voted Yao Ming #3 ROY: The final votes

Very well said, Omega. Now I do think what you said has some truth to why Yao didn't win as well...all the doubters already look like idiots saying he would be a bust, they couldn't look REALLY bad by actually voting for him for ROY.

But again, the racism thing is just nonsense.

 

Yep...to this day I also think Francis was the best rook' of '99-'00. Like you said, though, you win some and lose some. Hey, think if it this way...Yao will still be the best rook in the 2002 draft class. Amare may have gotten the ROY, but Yao will get an MVP award (or two) before his career is over with.

And that would be SWEET if Eddie gets MIP! or Boki wins sixth-man!

 

i'm sorry, but i have to interrupt the thread for a second.

where has gregnomics been lately? it's unusual to not be told to "stop posting immediately" for two weeks straight. hmmm.....

 

Clutch probably had enough of him & told him to stop for good

 

I don't mind Amare winning. I think he deserved it as much as Yao. Amare helped his team make the playoffs. Also, while both players have similar stats, I woud argue that Amare did more with less. Simply put, Amare matched a more skilled, experienced, mature competitor with sheer will and aggressiveness. You gotta give a guy props for making the most of his currently limited (dribble drive right for the dunk) skill.

Yao needs some of Amare's NBA aggressiveness while Amare needs some of Yao's skill. I just think that Amare brought the energy more often than Yao and that makes a difference. I think Yao is the better player and will be in the long term.

 

jeffb, that was perhaps the best quote concerning yao and amare all year. i'm sure you meant offensive aggressiveness instead of defensive... right?

good post.

 

since people are turning this into a racial issue. maybe you should look at some of the actual evidence supporting such a notion:

1. some people in the media said it was suddenly unfashionable to vote for yao ming. read what you will into that.

2. From a story in the Chicago Sun Times - "....some players privately envy the quick attention Yao is getting and believe the NBA is giving him more than it would give a 7-6 African player in the same situation."

3. the above statement shows that there has been resentment against yao ming for a while even though there is no factual basis for doing so.

4. stephon marbury made it a point that it wasn't even close between yao and amare. unless the nba just gives the award to yao, (meaning he didn't have any right to the award, if yao wins, he didn't earn it, race was the reason in their beliefs) kobe said the same thing. isn't even close.

5. these idiots probably also thought the rookie of the year was fixed or something if an african didn't win the award.

people were going out of their way to make everything yao accomplished look like a racial issue. they made him seem like a novelty instead of what he actually was, a legitimate candidate for rookie of the year. people who originally predicted yao would be a bust obviously didn't mind voting for amare and if they have an excuse like the one these nba players were spreading, they could do so more freely without seeming biased.

 

Why not?

Yao was in an even worse lose-lose situation from the very start.

If Yao did win, I bet there would be WAY MORE people who would say that "Yao won because he's Chinese", "Yao won because of his undeserved hype" or "Yao won because of David Stern rigging the ballot" blah blah blah.

But now when Yao lost, it's because Amare deserved it more, right?

 

You make a good point, NewGirl. For Yao it was like 'damned if he does (win)' and 'damned if he doesn't (win).' But, let's take your "it was race" argument... First of all, those guys who do say "Yao won b/c he's Chinese" are idiots...b/c what does Yao being Chinese have to do with his play ON THE COURT? And in a time when racial equality is a BIG issue in sports (with the lack of hirings of black owners/coaches) and life in general, to actually say someone was @ an ADVANTAGE b/c they were black is kinda comical, don't you think?

You also make some good points, spiral...but you do realize the players (majority of them being black) DO NOT vote for Rook' of the Year? So even if most of them believe it's "not close" and Amare should win hands down, it is ultimately not up to them. But those that do vote for the ROY award are sports writers/announcers -- majority of them being WHITE -- so if it truly was about race how would that help Amare or Caron Butler for that matter more than Yao?

If anything, like Omega said, Yao lost b/c ppl started resenting him for all the hype he recieved...even though it was not Yao's fault (b/c he would prefer to not have to do so many PR things). But to bring race in only when it is convient seems to discredit him for what he accomplised and makes the whole season they all had worthless. Also, if we continue to play the race card aren't we basically guilty of pretty much the same thing Newgirl said other fans would do if Yao won?

 

You don't believe there are people who say "Yao would win/get so much hype because he's Chinese"? You don't think that too many of this kind DO exist and some of them are writing/talking on papers/TV every day?

And how was saying black was at an advantage COMPARED TO Chinese in an Amercian society comical?

For some black players, Black > White > Chinese?

For some white pundits, White > Black > Chinese?

Just a guess.

 

The news is just in, votes counted, with and without the pregnant chads, gregnomics is suffering from Post Regular Season Lottery Syndrome. He may not be able to use stop posting imeediately for a few days.

Doctors also claim ( based on exclusive research done on die hard Rockets born out of Yao mania) this condition may leave a permanent psychological effect........so lets wait and see. Its also impolite to leave a sorry note when a posters stops posting - stop posting immediately.

 

no, it's not at all comical. it's actually a fact that if you're a certain minority, you get certain advantages other minorities don't. even though asians are also a minority and are fewer in number than either africans or hispanics, do you see any scholarships established for asians? he!! no. they don't give asians the typical minority treatment, cause they don't think you suffer from any disadvantages. i read an article where an asian got a higher sat score and also was poor and basically had to support his family while having to take a job and go to school at the same time and a hispanic who got a lower score on the sat, and was poor, got the scholarship. of course, that's never called racism because there is a double standard toward asians.

they started a campaign and slinged mud like politicians. make the other candidate look bad. that's political mud slinging. it affects the voters. it doesn't matter what race the players were.

no, because i never said amare wasn't a deserving candidate, which those players obviously implied yao wasn't.

actually, i'm impressed by how amare's improved his shooting and defense throughout the season. most young players don't work that hard. the only problem i have is how certain players chose to make it into a racial issue and chose to make yao not even a legitimate candidate. amare and caron actually went so far as to basically back each other up by mentioning each other's names as the only deserving rookie of the years. when yao's name is brought up, they basically say, well he doesn't suck. he's ok.

 

It was actually 18-4 and if you are any good at math, you know that only makes up 28 points which does not close the gap if you turn them into second place votes instead of third for each, so obviously this is not where the battle was won or lost. What about the guy who left Amare completely off? Think he had an agenda? It should have been Amare, Yao, and Caron on each ballot in a pick your order. You can't complain about a third place vote. I can see some people picking Caron, but I can't see someone leaving Amare completely off.

And about the whole racial issue. This is what is becoming wrong with this forum. If you don't think Yao is the best thing to ever happen to this league, or he should not start an allstar game over Shaq, or you don't think he is the best rookie, or you don't like his style of play, you are labeled a racist. Why? If you do not think Shaq is the best, does anyone call you a racist? If you do not think Stockton was a great pointguard, are you a racist? If you think LBJ is overhyped like Yao, are you a racist? No, you are only a racist if you don't bow down to Yao. This is the double-standard. As crazy as it sounds, you can have an opinion and not be a racist at the same time. Are all of you racist who constantly run down Mobley? No, you just don't like his game and think there are better shooting guards out there. What is the differrence?

 

first of all, you're a dumba$$. i don't think yao is the best thing to ever happen to this league. and i didn't think he should start in the all star game. anybody who did is stupid!!! and yao himself said he didn't deserve to start in the all star game. But was it because of chinese voters that yao was voted in like everybody assumed. NO! he was voted in by the US. shaq was also injured and most fans don't like the lakers and lakers fans were pissed that shaq didn't get surgery earlier and yao was playing his best ball before the all star break, it was obvious why he was voted in. people also doubted him at the time and anybody who is doubted and then makes charles barkley kiss a$$ on national tv usually gets people's votes. plus in all of yao's pre-all star break televised games, he was amazing. against dallas and indiana which were televised nationally. that affects opinion.

and if you think yao is the best rookie, that's opinion. not racist. dumba$$. if you don't think he's a LEGITIMATE candidate as these players were clearly implying and even spelled it out for everybody in the sun times article, you're blind and the sun times article definitely showed racial resentment. i didn't even want to bring it up, because it depicts africans negatively (written by Lacy Banks an african american himself), but since idiots want to claim there was no resentment whatsoever, just look at the evidence. these idiots made it into an issue. that doesn't mean africans all are like that. that just means a lot of players in the nba are paranoid.

also i don't like yao's style of play either. but i wouldn't go as far as some of these players are by calling him a novelty and saying that they wouldn't give an african player hype is ridiculous. Lebron James receives the most hype in history. yao was compared to a bust.

as for what's wrong with this forum, its idiots like you who probably think its so ridiculous and then come up with these dumba$$ names, i am from beijing, dragonwhatever, yin yang , kungfool or whatever and then register on the forum and say ridiculous things about how little things are racism to make serious issues seem like jokes. then some idiot named j-diddy or whatever comes on imitating an african person and saying this stupid $hit is racist and that stuff is racist too and acting like a fool to make fun of the people here who were actually talking about serious issues.

also i'm not even mad about these racial issues, but since idiots want to keep on talking about something they don't even understand, i tried to explain the unknown circumstances that normally people would not notice.

 

The only thing worse than blind hating/discrimination/racism IMO is that some people do not have the gut to admit it when they make such a comment or do some of those stuff. Come on if you're a hater/racist, admit it and stop giving out sorry ass excuses. What's the big deal?

 

It aint Race.......Stodemire deserved to win rookie of the year as much as Yao did. he had to bang w/ the power forwards of the west, and that was in no way an easy task......pretty decent job for a kid straight out of high school. Granted I think Yao should have won ROY too, but dont say Amare wasn't deservin cuz he played his ass off every time out.

Now bout the 18 3rd place votes........wut the hell were those guys smokin......

 

How did you come up with that math?

Amare has the total score of 458
Yao has 405.

The 18 votes is 18x3= 54 points for scond choice
and 18x1=18 for the third choice.

You subtract 54 point from Amare's and add 18 point to it = 422 points.
You subtract 18 points from Yao's and add 54 to it = 441

It can be said that it is where the scoring difference is.

It can be suspected that the guy who vote for Manu and leave Amare off has Agenda, favotism, racism too. You pick.

Also how can you explain people who pick Caron 1st and Yao 3rd?
I can't explain it except that they use dubble standard in their reasoning and favortism/racism play conciously or subconciously the role.

These peole seem to use different standard since the choose Buttler who is
1. Better scorer in stat
2. His team does not go to playoff
3. He does not have many great teamates to help him but still do well.

If the same criteria is applied when they choose the second place between Yao and Amare, would you think that fit Yao more than Amare?

Why, in these people mind, does they use different standard is the subject of speculation here.

The fact that eariler in the season, Yao is rediculed due to his race/ethnicity by number of medias give the ground of thinking that race had played the role.

The speculation is true or false, no one knows except these voters.
However, it is not pure BS.

That is exaggerated comment. Do you imply to yourself?

Actually most of people would not labelling others as racist even if they do not like Yao's play and give fair criticism.
However, when the double standard displayed such as when some people had never given him credit when he played well but constantly bashing him all the time, that person is suspected to be a "Yao's hater".
If you are to label people as "Yao's only fan" you should accept the other side of the label yourself when it is applied. (Just to be fair.)




Also in Yao case, it is a bit special. Since many people who said that he is overhyped usually pull a race card by saying that he is an overhyped and novelty because of "his race".
When he was unfairly critized, why can't people say that it is because of "his race" too?

It is the opposite site of the same coin.

 

Who cares what people say or vote, we all know who they would pick if they had the choice of any of the three.

 

Couldn't say it better. Cheers.

 

first of all, i'm happy amare won the award. cause that award would do nothing but make the target on yao's back larger . it's no secret there was resentment especially if you read what they wrote in the sun times about how some players resented him for some paranoid conspiracy theory of theirs.

i already wrote somewhere. either in this thread or another one, that amare is a deserving candidate. But if you read some of the articles that were released, some writers even went as far as to fabricate stories about how yao was never double teamed or triple teamed like amare or caron. some of that was total bs. or how amare apparently led his team to the playoffs instead of stephon. or how some sports writers lately decided it was not "fashionable" to pick yao cause he was deemed a novelty act by some people.nobody said amare isn't deserving. they're only arguing about how some people would have said yao won it undeservingly if he were to win. anybody who thinks that caron and amare didn't use political mud slinging to sway the voters must be stupid. all three are deserving candidates, that's why they should have relied on their own skills to speak for themselves instead of pulling the so called race card out themselves. they were the ones who made it into an issue to begin with. you should see some of the suns fans posts: "yao is just like smits. only reason he's more marketable since he's chinese." if yao were really like smits, he'd get about as many advertisement deals as wang zhi zhi. ZERO and even wang zhi zhi is more athletic than smits..