17 Other States Join Texas To Declare Trump President

Why did you need an election, could have divided the country in 2 long time ago.

 

"The suit is a cesspool of disproved charges, wild speculation, insupportable arguments and silly gibberish."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/trump-supreme-court/index.html

 

Hopefully the citizens of these states considers their state attorney generals ridiculous and radical waste of state money when they come up for reelection...

 

Just skimming this thread since yesterday.

First off the US isn't going to be split off regarding red and blue lines. Looking at the state elector map gives a very false impression of where states stand ideologically because of the winner take all electoral college system of most states. A better view is the county by county map. There you will see there were many counties in red states and went blue and vice versa. Consider that red TX had more people that voted for Biden than blue MN and several other states. If TX wanted to secede and join states like the Dakotas and AL then the four largest population centers of those TX likely aren't going to go along. The same way if CA wanted to secede and join NY and New England the Central Valley won't go along. We're not going to carve out Houston, Austin and Dallas out of TX anymore than the Central Valley of CA will be carved out.

This lawsuit was horseshyte yesterday and still is today. Nothing good can come of this. The basis of this lawsuit is that one state can sue another state for how they conduct their elections. Specifically citing that changes made to the election weren't made by the state legislature. The change to mail in voting in PA was made by the state legislature which is why the Kelly suit was rejected by SCOTUS with no comment. Next though if that is the argument then TX is also liable as Abbot changed the election by reducing the number of drop off boxes without going through the legislature. Under that argument then MN or any other state can sue TX.

Further in the very very unlikely situation this case wins that will lead to unrest unlike anything we've seen since the Civil War. Like it or not 81 million voted for Biden and Trump has never had a majority approval. 81 million Americans aren't going to stand by and just accept that the election is reversed. Many Trump supporters have been saying they are willing to die for Trump. if this case were to actually pass they might get that chance.

At the minimum this suit continues to erode the trust between the states and Americans in the system. It's more of the corrosiveness of the Trumpism.

 

5 big problems with Texas' bid to overturn Biden's win at the Supreme Court
"This case is hopeless," said SCOTUSblog publisher Tom Goldstein, who argues frequently before the court.

Dec. 9, 2020, 4:23 PM CST / Updated Dec. 10, 2020, 7:33 AM CST
By Pete Williams
President Donald Trump calls it "the big one," but the Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden's election victory at the Supreme Court has several problems that doom it, according to experts on election law.

To cite a glaring one, the lawsuit, which Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed Monday, calls on the court to delay the electoral vote in the four targeted states, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, to allow investigations of voting issues to continue. That would be unconstitutional, said Edward Foley of the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University. He points out that Article II, Section 4, says that Congress can choose the day the electors meet to vote but that it also says the day "shall be the same throughout the United States." This year, it's Dec. 14, five days from now.

The second hurdle is that Texas has no legal right to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures. The United States doesn't have a national election for president. It has a series of state elections, and one state has no legal standing to challenge how another state conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators, legal experts said.

"This case is hopeless. Texas has no right to bring a lawsuit over election procedures in other states," said SCOTUSblog publisher Tom Goldstein, a Washington, D.C., lawyer who argues frequently before the court. "And in any event, the justices will think that this case, like the others, should be brought first in the lower courts and not just in front of them first."

While it's true that the Supreme Court is the place to go when one state wants to sue another, it has to get permission from the court first, and it has to show there's no other place to resolve the issues. The Texas lawsuit is a compilation of legal claims that have already been chewed over in lower courts.

The lawsuit asks the Supreme Court for an order invalidating something like 20 million votes, which Foley said is unthinkable.

The court filings also appear to have been prepared in haste. For example, the lawsuit says the four states that Texas wants to sue have a total of 72 electoral votes. The total is actually 62.

Officials from both parties in the states named in the lawsuit ripped Paxton's challenge as "a publicity stunt" loaded with "false and irresponsible" allegations.

Paxton, whom the Trump campaign named a co-chair of its Lawyers for Trump group in July, has had legal problems of his own. He was indicted in 2015 on still-pending securities fraud charges and was reported to have been accused of other wrongdoing by his top aides this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...ems-texas-bid-overturn-biden-s-win-u-n1250606

 

coz they sore losers

 

I don't think it's so much as splitting the country into two in actuality but more lets say politically. Yes it's really an urban versus rural thing but what we are talking about is just giving both side what they want. Rural red folks in blue states could relocate over time for instance if it mattered that much to them. But the point being is that there would be less strife as liberals would dominate blue country and conservatives would dominate red country - a win win where one side doesn't feel oppressed by the other - and if they are, well it's because of an overwhelming majority at least.

Red America can be pro-Russia, ban abortion, have discriminatory practices and racist police. They can cut pollute their states and cut taxes all they want, they can end social security and medicare, and they can implement voting systems to make sure only conservatives can vote. They can be happy. Sure they will have crappy roads and schools, and will probably go bankrupt but that's ok.

Blue America would be free to be rich and prosperous. No longer having to have parasitic red states suck out so much wealth - that money could be redirected back locally creating a new influx of programs to help improve lives across the board.

It would truly be a win win.

 

Well, first it doesn't provide any substantive basis for the relief it requests other than claiming that the chance of Biden winning the four states in question was one in a billion. That claim in the body of the complain seemed absurd, and then when you go and look at the actual basis for the opinion, the variables that the hired gun relied on are extremely flawed.

The lawsuit also relies on claims that have been thoroughly debunked, and an affidavit from someone that when questioned admitted that the claims asserted in the affidavit were inaccurate.

It really isn't very well done, especially as something that is of such potential importance.

It is also quite humorous that Ken Paxton is the one that represents the state in the lawsuit...... I guess he has some free time avoiding the indictment against him, the ongoing investigation into bribery, abuse of office and other crimes.

It reads like a motion that an odd ball grifter would put together.

 

So it'd basically be the EU on the sides with Russia in the middle.

 

About the Texas Lawsuit

Erick-Woods Erickson

Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas, is under a federal investigation and would love a presidential pardon. His lawsuit is just more performative leg humping by someone desperate to curry favor with President Trump.

The various attorneys general who have joined his lawsuit all want to either get re-elected or seek higher office. Joining the lawsuit gives them some measure of ring kissing or protection from any rabid Trump supporters who wanted a “just fight” moment.

I personally think my company should pay me workers compensation for brain damage for having to read that lawsuit and related filings. It really is one of the stupidest bits of performative leg humping we have seen in the last five years. These attorneys general are willing to beclown themselves and their states all to get in good with the losing presidential candidate.

The suit is absurd on its face. These states seek to interfere in the internal affairs of other states when those states are not actually electing the President, but allowing their voters to chose members of the Electoral College.

Were this to succeed, which it will not, the states will start suing each other at every election as a bit of theater.

Let me explain just how absurd this case is:

Texas can cite no cases at all in its claim that it has standing to sue the states for the administration of their own internal elections.

Texas alleges the other states changed election laws due to the pandemic without the legislature’s blessing. You know one state not being sued that did that? Texas.

The states allege it is illegal to count ballots received after election day. Several of the states making that claim also do that.

Their expert argues a sign of voter fraud is that it is not likely Trump 2016 voters would vote for Biden in 2020. The expert also uses dubious statistical modeling comparing Clinton to Biden.

The Missouri amicus all but says they don’t necessarily agree with Texas’s legal statements, but the case is so important the Supreme Court should hear it.

Texas could not even get its Solicitor General — the man who argues on behalf of the state before the Supreme Court — to sign onto the lawsuit. That’s how frivolous it is.

This will persuade the fool and the gullible, but these are not meritorious arguments, particularly when many of the states on the plaintiff’s side of the lawsuit have done similar things and thus have unclean hands.

The level of debasement these people have been willing to engage in makes them seem more the ball-gagged gimp from Pulp Fiction, humiliating themselves for their master. They should be ashamed and embarrassed.

The bottom line is this — the voters of states must act within their own states and be responsible for their own elections. Texas does not get to dictate the internal affairs of other states particularly when Texas is not directly impacted by a fellow semi-sovereign nation within these united States of America choosing its own members of the Electoral College. The remedy is not the Supreme Court’s intervention on behalf of some sore losers, but challenging the electors in the House of Representatives, which these people know is a fight they will lose. But they already know that is the remedy too.

If Texas were to win this, it would dissolve the horizontal federalism of our union and only expand the powers of the federal government. It would also lead to a Civil War as a handful of states overturn the rules and laws of other states and dictate those states’ internal affairs. Wait for Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo to give this precedent a whirl. Wait for progressive states to start suing conservative states over religious liberty, transgender rights, police brutality, tax policies that “steal” residents of progressive states, etc.

If voters in Georgia are outraged with the outcome in Georgia, their remedy is not for Texas to save them from themselves, but for them to save themselves by moving to Texas or voting differently in the next election. Even the voters of Georgia do not constitutionally have the right to sue their own state for the general enforcement of election laws. Other states surely stand in even a worse position.

Empowering Texas in this case just empowers progressive states to do the same later. The mere filing of this case sets a dangerous precedent. Ultimately, however, the Supreme Court is unlikely to give Texas what is wishes and Ken Paxton perhaps will not get his pardon.

I’m really tired of the Republican Party beclowning itself for a losing candidate out of fear for that candidate’s voters. That is all this is and delusions of fools notwithstanding, despite all sorts of stupid arguments being wrapped in pomp and “equal protection” phraseology, the election is over and Joe Biden will be President-Elect officially next week.

Guys, come on — you’re just going to spark crazy to violence at this point. The election wasn’t stolen and most of you know it and those of you who don’t know it need to, at some point, realize you’ve been lied to. And frankly, Ken Paxton needs to work on repentance for a whole lot of stuff.
https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/about-the-texas-lawsuit

 

half the country hates each other....your post proves it, so quick to call me a moron. You hate me , I hate you so let’s divorce. Split it up and we can be friends

 

Give me a good reason why the left and the right should co exist together when there is this much wrath, this much hate. Conservatives won’t fall in line, half the country is at odds so we either reach a breaking point with the hate each other mentality because neither side will change or we consider breaking up the United States as amicably as possible ...why is this thought process so wrong?

 

Better than blood shed. Divorce the blue!

 

It definitely would be a win win, red America and blue America can coexist better if divided ...our United States experiment is a complete and utter failure. Look we can still trade and be the best of friends if we don’t have to live with each other. We can still have sports and support one another but have separate federal government entities, I’m actually excited and hopeful this happens in my lifetime

 

Agree , I don’t want to kill our liberal friends in a war but I want a peaceful solution . This is the way

 

Our current situation leaves us with a feeling of futility as the ground constantly changes beneath our feet. George W. Bush did not like the Kyoto Protocol and pulled us out. Barack Obama believes in climate change and supported the Paris Accord. Donald Trump does not and pulls us out. Joe Biden will make us reverse course and support it again. The next Republican will most likely pull us back out again. Is this any way to run a government?

 

Yeah let them go full commiefornia...i propose a population exchange... we will send Austinites and they can send their red voters. Also we get to keep dc... the city. They dont want our old statues anyway. In exchange they can keep LA and all of their shitty basketball teams. Lebron too. Take him.

 

Enjoy Alaska!

I hear they're hiring up there to kill wildlife that will get in the way of Big Oil.