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  1. H-TownBBall

    H-TownBBall Member

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    Oh and to support my claims:

    Rafer - http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU3A.HTM

    Williams - http://www.82games.com/0708/07MIL1A.HTM
     
  2. Sooner423

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    I think Mo would have been a great fit under JVG. With Adelman, I'd prefer a better creator at the 1.
     
  3. xiki

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    I remain unsure what defines the 'Adelman perfect fit Point'. Bibby has never been a creator. Bobby Jax? C'mon.

    But, is there a deal for Mo which makes sense for the Rox? The clearest one I could perceive is Mo/#1 - Rafe/Head/#1. But, do you take on that contract for that deal?
     
  4. DaDakota

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    That is the issue.....right there...the contract.

    DD
     
  5. hooroo

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    I'm not too sure about Williams. Especially when we keep on hearing from the Rockets and McGrady how they need another playmaker to take the pressure off T-Mac.

    Bogut called Ramon Sessions the Buck's only true PG and that's with Sessions only having a few games to show for. One where the Bulls were finished for the season and refused to play defense. That should be telling about Williams running the point for the Bucks.
     
  6. xiki

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    With all due respect to you, Bout's mouth 'decision making' is questionable, at best.

    '06-'07 season and last summer I was a sign-Mo advocate - for the full MLE. This is mucho bucks over that, which also says something about what Bucks thought about Mo-money Williams.

    With an MLE contract everyone is after him, starting with Riley who reportedly tried to get him. With his contract the equation is quite different.

    Quite, old chap.
     
  7. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    After the way Sessions played, I imagine the Bucks are just out to unload Mo Williams so as to be rid of that ridiculous contract. As such, I doubt we'd even have to include Alston and a #1. I think they'd have to include their pick to get us to take on Mo Williams for our expiring contracts. If I'm not mistaken, Bobby Jackson alone is enough to make it work salary wise. At worst, I think it'd be something along the lines of Bobby Jackson and a swap of picks for Mo Williams. While I definitely feel that adding Mo Williams to our roster would improve our team, I'm still not sure it makes sense. I fear if we add his contract to our roster it'll end up hurting us at some point when Alexander is no longer willing to spend the full MLE. I know he has said he'll go into the luxury tax for the right player, but is Mo Williams really the right player?

    Mo Williams and a lottery pick would be VERY tempting though. Especially if we're only giving up an expiring contract and the 25th pick.
     
  8. CriscoKidd

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    I agree that the lotto pick would be kind of tempting, though I'm not really sure on what type of impact player we can get there. But I don't think the Bucks would do a deal like that, PR wise anyway(though it may be smart). Maybe if we included Novak, lol.

    I would feel uncomfortable having a near max contract halved between 2 sub-par point guards.
     
  9. Da Wink

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    i think it's better to go for Ben Gordon if we're going for a high slary shooting PG...
     
  10. hooroo

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    If the Bucks are looking to offload Williams's contract. The LT will also have the Rockets looking to dump salary except their goal would be short term, ie Bucks take back as close to 125% + 100k.

    Jackson+Francis+Head (c. $10.67M) for Williams ($8.35M)

    This would also help the Rocket's PG congestion. I'm guessing the Bucks would like to keep their lottery pick to draft a PG.
     
  11. saleem

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    I have no idea what the Bucks want to do with Mo Williams but I do feel that the Bucks lack offensive firepower even for the East.Yi has potential but is young, raw and coming of an injury,Charlie V is inconsistent and underachieving,Bobby Simmons and Desmond Mason haven't been able to solve their problem at the 3.Bogut isn't a 20/10 guy,which leaves them with Redd as their best scorer and Mo Williams as their 2nd highest scorer. A lottery pick can help them and who knows maybe Ramon Sessions may eventually become a starting PG, but Mo Williams could still be useful for them at least for the time being.
    I don''t like the idea of having both Mo Williams and Rafer on our team because I don't think they complement each other.
     
  12. Vivid

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    but if you can swap picks...you bite that bullet. However I agree...might not make a lot of sense from their perspective. As odd as it would be with Yao...I would draft Jordan with the pick. They compare him to Howard...imagine a defensive rebounding dunking machine next to Yao...might crowd to paint but we will groom him as a back up... allow him to post a few with Yao in high post. Would lessen Yao's minutes this season. Would also trade for Miller or Artest if possible. Use that pick on Danilo Gallinari (smart athletic shooter) use 2nd pick on Bill Walker (athletic, crowd pleaser with a mean streak). MLE on Childress.


    Jackson, Head, 1st - Williams, 1st
    Battier, Brooks, Hayes, fut pick - Artest, 1st pick -Gives them stability in Battier...plus they like Brooks. Hayes gives them a def 4.

    Yao 30 Jordan 18 Deke
    Scola 28 Landry 20
    Artest 32 Gallinari 16 Novak
    Tmac 32 Childress 16 Walker
    Williams 30 Alston 18 Francis
     
  13. saleem

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    You're right if we have a chance of swapping picks it makes a lot of sense but it doesn't help the Bucks IMO.
     
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  14. Williamson

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    If they didn't include their pick (and I think people are right that that would be a PR nightmare for them), then I think they'd have to include either Gadzuric or Villanueva. Something to sweeten the pot. Gadzuric would be a fantastic backup for Yao, and he has the size to help when we play big teams like the Spurs. I feel like we'd have less interest in Charlie V due to the success of Scola and Landry, but his size would be nice and I just don't see too many players on their roster we would covet. I could see Les going gaga over adding Yi to our roster, but I can't imagine they're ready to give up on him and I would expect giving him up would be just as bad of a PR move as giving away their top pick. Everybody else on their roster (e.g. Bobby Simmons and Desmond Mason) that could fulfill a need we have is way too over-priced.
     
  15. Sooner423

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    That's true on Bibby. He actually turned from a creator with the Grizzlies to more of a set shooter with the Kings.
     
  16. xiki

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    So, when the rumor was reported did it arise from (reported/supposed) Rox interest, or Bucks?
     
  17. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    They didn't say. He just said that he was hearing Mo Williams.
     
  18. xiki

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    I played Clutch's Show, and that's what I heard, as well. It was actually rhetorical as it was a max-out non-sourced rumor. But, clearly the team making the call has 'less leverage' than the team receiving the call... ;)
     
  19. A_3PO

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    Mo Williams and his bad contract for Rafer, huh? I've got to think about that one.
     
  20. doublebogey

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    you guys are desperate.

    Mo Williams?

    I think the Bucks had problem passing the ball the whole season. That started with their PG Mo Williams. Williams would either shoot or had the tunnel vision to find Michael Redd.

    Mo Williams is not a smart passer anyway, lack of court vision, kind of selfish player. With his 8 millions contract, I say "pass".
     

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