As for as rankings it is all about efficiency, and Tmac is just NOT all that efficient... Thanks again for the show.......!!!!!! I hope you guys don't mind me calling every week. And don't worry, I will slip in a V-Span comment one day...when you least expect it...... DD
Lakers fans will laugh hysterically at this one -- opposing PGs have torched them with regularity this season. Intense ball pressure (what Fisher does) doesn't always equate to great defense. Also, how much of Fisher's "clutch" shooting reputation is simply because he's been put in so many big game situations (Shaq and Kobe) to take those shots? Kidd isn't good. I understand the premise of your post and largely agree with it, but it isn't particularly accurate with the Mavs and especially the Lakers.
They do? They are #19 of 30 teams in 3pt% defense. Of the 11 worse teams, only GS, TOR and WAS are playoff teams with worse 3pt FG%. Respectfully disagree. They protect the paint ala VG..but they are still weak in rotations to the arc.
Which is maddening because they are not double teaming the post, and usually do a lot of switching on the perimeter. They should be doing a much better job of contesting 3pt shots, but they just don't. One of the reasons is that Rafer is always peeking around hoping to sneak a steal and his man gets off easy shots....and Tmac rarely really plays defense on the perimeter....so we have 2 of our 5 guys resting or not playing 3pt defense correctly.. and that hurts. DD
The Point will require its own Thread as soon as the playoffs complete (in June???), but until then - one comment; two questions: Rafer - for there to be any chance of a return to Good Rafe Bad Skip...Lou needs to STOP HALT DESIST from reading/listening to the chatter of his prominence. Please return to your previous anonymity, RA, and re-become productive. Brooks - what is his upside? Is he Devon Harris to be or just another quick little 1 good for 8+/- mpg? Stevie - do the Rox, does SF3, have a belief that he will bounce back to rotation quality next season?
just hoping that steve comes back and alot fitter than when he rejoined the team in the summer. if he doesn't dribble the air outta the ball we'll be fine. hopefully.. > >
It will be very interesting to see if Francis rededicates himself to the game or just basically packs it in.... One helps us a lot, the other means he takes up cap space. DD
DD, nash possibly the best PG of all time? magic? robertson? stockton? jkidd? payton? isiah? all have led their teams to the finals and nash has had arguably a better all-around supporting cast the past few yrs. and really, only one of his MVPs were deserving. we're all seeing how amare is the best player on the suns this yr.
My point is that at least he is "IN" the argument. Clearly there are others, as you have correctly pointed out...but Nash is got to be top 5....and an argument could be made for him to be the best ever..... DD
he is not even in the same stratosphere as magic or oscar robertson, not even close. the difference in stats and wins are STAGGERING. stockton, payton, isiah, and jkidd have dominated longer than nash, who has only been dominant for 3-4 yrs. sure his MVPs make it seem like he's one of the top 5, but he's not really. magic - easily the best PG of all time oscar - could challenge magic but doesn't have the rings stockton - holds the record for assists, along with better D than nash payton - better scorer, much much better defender (arguably top 3 perimeter defender of all time) isiah - simply better than nash jkidd - has been a more dominant player for a decade (not just 3-4 yrs), led his team to the finals, easily the better defender and i haven't even brought up cousy and frazier. nash's career stats are very very AVERAGE if you want to look at it. 14ppg and 7.5apg. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestPointGuards even ESPN has him at #9, which i think is pushing it b/c payton is better. so no, he's not in my top 5 or even close to it. but it depends on the person's perspective. i think nash has been great for only a 4-yr stretch. the other guys i mentioned were great for 10+ years. BIG difference.
Nash is flat out terrific. Without him Phoenix is not Los Suns but LOST Suns. But, is GOAT even in the discussion? Magic/Big O/Stockton gotta be TOPmost 3, but Nash is definitely worth consideration in a discussion. Back to the better questions IMHO: Rafer - for there to be any chance of a return to Good Rafe Bad Skip...Lou needs to STOP HALT DESIST from reading/listening to the chatter of his prominence. Please return to your previous anonymity, RA, and re-become productive. Brooks - what is his upside? Is he Devon Harris to be or just another quick little 1 good for 8+/- mpg? Stevie - do the Rox, does SF3, have a belief that he will bounce back to rotation quality next season?
Hear hear. This is a great question, it is proven that short PGs can excel in the NBA....CP3, DWill, Jameer Nelson, TJ Ford......but whether Brooks can become a strarter is still unclear to me....I would still look to upgrade the position in the offseason. It is all up to Steve, if he rededicates himself it could be a huge deal for the Rockets but my guess is that he is done. DD
rafer's numbers are about the same the last two years. the 3 point defense is worse than last year by fg% but is better in allowing less 3 point attempts. the offense per possession was slightly better last year than this year and this years defense is slightly better than last year. the turnovers are up this year. offensive rebounding is way up this year. defensive rebounding is slightly down this year. and look it up, i predicted the possiblity of winning 20 in a row back in january. dont come around as often as i used to but man are the rockets playing great and its great to see some unity around this board.
That's absurd. Nash has benefited from the no hand check rules and a run and gun system. Nash is one of the worst defensive players in the league right now and has never been an even average defender. Don't get me wrong, Nash is a nice player, but the run he's got is disproportionate to his accomplishments.
I guess it depends on your matter of perspective, over the course of entire careers there are several that you would put ahead of Nash, as has been pointed out. But the way Nash has played these last few years, he has played his way into the discussion. Steve Nash is a unique talent, as a passer and scorer, his efficiency is off the charts good. DD
I gotta agree with BMoney, the guy didn't improve much from Dallas to Phoenix but the style of play was taylor made for him. He is really good at what he does, though. I don't think a player that poor on defense could be considered along with the all time greats. I can't think of one. The problem with guys who defend that poorly is that what they do gets negated on the other end. I wish there was a stat that showed points scored on so we could compare him with others better. I think Chris Paul is already better than Nash ever was.
paul this year has been better than any of nash's best years. that's how much nash has been overhyped. paul is doing with less talent too. nash has been great, but let's be real DD. he's nowhere in the conversation as the best PG of all time. that's a diss to 8-9 PGs who have been more dominant than nash ever has and over a longer period of time.
