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  1. redao

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    another thing, it could be a disaster that your No. 1 or N0. 2 guy does not want to play defense and have big ego.
     
  2. W22_STREAK

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    Just get the 11th or 12th or 13th pick and draft Brandon Jennings!!!!!!!!!

    And DD......I know you have your own ideas of how to build the team..........

    but as they say about GMs.."if you listen to the fans, you'll end up amongst them"

    do we trust Morey or are we meant to trust you???
     
  3. LabMouse

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    No, I used to dislike this deal, but after a careful think, I start to like it. We can use either Tmac or him to save salary, the difference is that Tmac can not play, and he can play (we can let him walk away if it is not working out). Moreover, we do not need a backup center anymore, and the team can score lots of points by playing him as a center. Most important thing is that Yao can play less 20 min, and the team can still win the game. It is a very good deal if he is healthy enough.

     
  4. ROXTXIA

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    Enter:

    Shane Battier
    Ron Artest
    Chuck Hayes
    Kyle Lowry (to a lesser extent)
     
  5. abc2007

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    As I said, in that case, why don't directly trade Yao for Amare?

     
  6. kevC

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    Because you would be giving up YAO MING?
     
  7. LabMouse

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    That is an equal trade. By trading Tmac, you just upgrade the team, new team would be much better if everyone is playing his role. We can complete with Lakers after this trade.

     
  8. DaDakota

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    Actually let me clarify.

    I hate this deal if it is the "ONLY" deal we are going to make.

    Because it leaves us thin at PG.....and drafting one in the first round does not solve this issue....if we are in win now mode.

    If however, Morey has a deal for Bibby, or for A. Miller to go along with this deal than I love it....

    For me, it is all about the final roster....so if this deal happens, I don't like it....UNLESS there is another deal to shore up the PG and Wing positions.

    The deal does get better if it is Richardson instead of Barbosa though, at least for me.

    DD
     
  9. redao

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    exhibit : you plug TMAC in that group, Rockets lost games vs. Grizzlies, Wizzard, Clippers, Bucks, Knicks,
     
  10. steddinotayto

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    I'm not singling you out DD. It's just that your posts against Amare is just a bit more readable and sane that most here.

    And we can even further solidify the position. I wouldn't even call our PF a strength...more like better than average. And adding Stoudemire to Scola or Landry means we have a much better frontcourt with Yao, right?

    Into what, exactly? He had trouble passing the ball into Yao. I'm not saying he REFUSED to pass to Yao but the deficiency was glaring in the playoffs. If your PG can't get your best player the ball, what good is he? Yes, he can score and is quick but I want my point guard to actually get my All Star big man the ball.

    Who are you referring to here? Amare? He would be in the same position that Ron Artest was in last year. He needs to prove to himself, the Rockets, and the whole league that he's worth big money. I'm quite confident that Ron Artest didn't lose value and probably gained some by his play w/ the Rockets last year. If he had stayed in Sactown, he'd be MLE fodder right now, at best.

    As for Scola, are you honestly saying you are scared that Scola might leave because we have an All Star power foward starting in front of him?

    Again, this all depends on what happens if we trade for him and how the upcoming season goes. He doesn't have any power to warrant an extension. If he wants to mail it in for the season and pout and opt out, fine. We'll just take our newfound cap room somewhere else.

    It obviously doesn't but it's not even about having a creating WING...just a player that can get his own shot, period. When Yao went down against the Lakers, we didn't have anyone that can create their own shot (jack ups from 3 by Artest and Wafer doesn't count). Amare CAN create his own shot and CAN draw a double team. We just need a serviceable SG that can hit their jumpers consistently.

    Vince Carter, non-prima donna? He wore out his welcome in Toronto and pouted a couple of times in Jersey IIRC.

    Corey Maggette? You're dissing Amare for being injury prone when Maggette is pretty much Mr. Glass?

    Rip Hamilton would be a nice fit but I am not ready to take on Tayshaun Prince. We have enough small forwards who can defend but can't create their own shot already.
     
  11. abc2007

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    Actually, the nature of the whole Amare trade is about that the rockets don't trust Yao (or his healthy). If Yao goes down again this season, Amare can replace his role. If Yao doesn't resign with rockets next season, Amare can replace him too. The rockets don't really need Yao anymore, and Yao won't resign with the rockets next summer. We will lose Yao anyway.

     
  12. jump shooter

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    Its your opinion DD, I respect it but don't always agree. Thats why were all in here having fun trying to come up with ideas so we can have another parade in june.
     
  13. kevC

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    I don't know where you're getting this but I don't think that's the nature of the trade at all. The nature of the trade would be we're adding AMARE STOUDEMIRE, a superstar, by only giving up a role player and our supposed superstar who is way past his prime.
     
  14. abc2007

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    If that is the case, the rockets would look for a wing player to replace that supposed superstar who is way past his prime

     
  15. jump shooter

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    You can spin another way as well in saying that aquiring a low post beast like Amare, will actually add to Yao's longevity and lower his minutes.
     
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    Carter hasn't caused any problems with the Nets. Last year some writer brought up the old heartless chestnut. That caught on with other writers joining in to further speculate he'd play up on a now lottery bound team since Kidd was gone . The way it played out he proved his critics wrong by being a leader on a young team.
     
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    I'm not advocating a potential trade for Amare but how can you possibly say the team blew it long term by not trading Ron at the deadline? What exactly did we blow? We made it out of the first round since 97.... 12 LONG years ago. And Ron Artest was a major piece in helping us achieve that and nearly shocking the world in knocking off the Lakers.

    Furthermore, who exactly should we have traded Artest for at the deadline? Was there some kind of deal on the table or an offer for him? Did we miss out on a good player that was traded elsewhere? The most noteworthy trade before the deadline was frickin Rafer Alston to the Magic.

    I highly doubt we could have moved Artest for another player and achieved the high level of success we accomplished this year.
     
  18. abc2007

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    You underestimate Amare, he can replace Yao in Adelman's system.

    You underestimate Yao as well. If Yao feels he cannot play anymore, he would retire. He won't just play for playing the bball.

     
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    Corey Maggette get's bashed like crazy on the warriors forums for being a ball hog so I don't know if that's the best way to spend 10 mill a year on. On the plus side he does draw alot of fouls.

    Anyway with the way the team is setup, we need more wing players that can dribble and create their own shots. In the playoffs, we really didn't have any playmakers outside of Brooks. No one else could really dribble well enough.

    I wouldn't mind a T-Mac for VC trade.
     
  20. LabMouse

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    That is another beauty about this deal. Amare can play Yao's role if Yao is going to be down again. The rockets can not trust Yao's health, neither does Yao, so you need a backup plan. As for Yao, he will stay in Houston if the team is not going to keep getting a rookie, that is why I do not like a trade to get a rookie, and a few role players. Plus that any trade is for the team, but for just for Yao.

     

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