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$15/he Minimum Wage in CA

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. juicystream

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    [rquoter]Examples of covered employees who are engaged in interstate commerce include:

    An employee such as an office or clerical worker who uses a telephone, facsimile machine, the U.S. mail, or a computer e-mail system to communicate with persons in another state.

    An employee who drives or flies to another state while performing his or her job duties.

    An employee who unloads goods which came from an out of state supplier.

    An employee such as a cashier or waitress who uses an electronic device which authorizes a credit card purchase.

    Employees of businesses that are engaged in interstate commerce or instrumentalities of interstate commerce are also generally covered.

    An instrumentality of interstate commerce includes railroads, highways and city streets, pipe lines, telephone and/or electrical transmission lines, airports, bus/truck/steamship terminals, radio or TV stations and river/streams/waterways over which interstate or foreign commerce regularly moves.[/rquoter]

    http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/scope/ee2.asp
     
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  2. Nook

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    $15 an hour is low for LA, Boston, NYC, Chicago and a number of other large cities. On the other hand $15 an hour is not low in areas like Ottawa Illinois, most of the deep south and large areas in Florida and Missouri.

    I am not sure what the solution is exactly, a uniformed high national minimum wage would not have equal results. At this point the minimum wage at the federal level should probably be close to $10 an hour and there should be some sort of incentive for keeping employees long term with the employees getting raises. As it is, jobs change too much and the money is being paid by the tax payers anyway through benefits, which could somewhat be funneled into increased wages for those that are in the bottom 20% of worker salaries.

    As it is, there isn't a huge incentive to work for less than $10 an hour when you figure in benefits, stealing, drug dealing and fraud. They all potentially pay better than working at Arby's where upper middle class people treat you like **** and complain their curly fries are cold.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    Regarding the "higher minimum wage causing people to ask for fewer hours to preserve benefits" thing:

    With any kind of system, there will be people figuring out how to "game" it. For example, some employers cut back on the hours that each employee works so as to avoid paying for employer sponsored-health plans. Whether this works out for the employers or not (in terms of saving insurance cost vs. having a better, more stable work force) depends on the individual situation.

    Employees, too, have calculations to make. For some of them, maybe the potential loss of government benefits (Medicaid for themselves and their children, for example) outweigh what they might make in, say, 5 more hours per week of work at minimum wage. For others, this won't be the case-- working more hours might put an minimum wage employee in better position to get a raise or promotion. It depends on the individual work place and the employee's own family situation.

    In the former situation, it would appear that the rational answer is that the eligibility system for important benefits should be revised so that there isn't as much of a "cliff" once people cross a certain threshold there isn't an disincentive for working a few extra hours.
     
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  7. Commodore

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    the idea that any job that can't fully sustain someone is illegal is stupid

    some jobs aren't worth that much, and some people just want something supplementary
     
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    If your business can't operate with out the use of slave wage labor, it shouldn't be in business.
     
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    I agree, but I don't think you understand what slave wage labor is. Slaves are paid no wage, so if you aren't paying your employees at all, you shouldn't be in business. That doesn't mean that you should overpay employees though.
     
  10. Cohete Rojo

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    Supply and demand. Still have yet to see any evidence presented that overrules this basic, core economic principle. 45 million immigrants. 10 million of which are here illegally. Do the math.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, and some 13 year olds would be able to drive just fine without having an accident, but rules are made to protect the majority, not just a few who can get by without them.
     
  12. Commodore

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    your misuse of that term is an insult to actual slaves
     
  13. larsv8

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    There was no misuse of any terms, nor were any insults made.

    "Slave wage" is common vernacular.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

    You clearly need to do some more research on this topic before you form an opinion.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    which in your own words, includes dead people who have died with hundreds of millions of assets and whose estates subject to the estate tax:

    One day, somebody will free the zombie slave estates and those assets will no longer be shackled. We shall overcome.
     
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    15 per hour extrapolated over 40 hours/ 52 weeks barely clears 30 grand


    That ain't right for any full time employee
     
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    For sure, everyone should make a minimum of 100k a year if they are a full time employee and even the worst apartments should cost 3k a month.
     
  17. larsv8

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    Like clockwork, logical fallacy king Bobby drops in.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, funny coming from you. Keep b****ing about "slave wages", while completely failing to understand the repercussions of artificially high wages.

    Thinking that a $15 an hour minimum wage would make ANYTHING better in the long term is just laughably foolish, but it gets simple minded people to the polls. Then when prices inevitably respond to the labor prices, the same idiots will be talking about how $15 an hour is a "slave wage" and be talking about $20 or $25 an hour....then that'll happen and prices will respond and the next talk will be about $30 an hour.

    You know how I know that? That's exactly what has happened in the past. Remember when $4.25 was the minimum and people wanted 8 an hour as a "living wage"? You crazy kids will never learn.
     
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    Liberals love science and logic except when it comes to economics. Then screw that. We can make up the rules as we go.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    What science is being ignored here?

    This stuff is from the Department of Labor.
    https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster

    I don't think the science from there goes against anything liberals are saying.
     

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