14-year-old girl beaten to death in the name of sharia

You are dimmer than I thought.

 

The movement occurring in Egypt is a secular movement by all accounts.

The media purporting a real threat by the Muslim Brotherhood is sensationalism.

I've been to Egypt, my brother lived there for quite some time, and there's no way widespread religious extremism would ever take hold there.

 

It already has:

 

find autrocity commited by muslim

link to some kind of islamic law

ask some silly question of how it relates to something it has nothing to do with

rinse repeat again

 

I keep hearing you say that you want to stop Islam from spreading. Don't you mean that you want to stop extremist Muslims from spreading their violent vitriol of the western nations? Let me ask this of you as I have of ATW, do you have any muslim acquaintances?

 

Great post. I completely agree with this. I think people may take your articles out of context, but that's because you tend to use Islam and Extremist Islam a bit too interchangeably. If you kept them quite separate, I don't think people would criticize you as much. Also, if you didn't post as often as you do for detailing atrocities that occurred in a muslim country which there are plenty of, then I'm sure people wouldn't think you had an agenda. Rape, murder, etc. happen all the time especially amongst the uneducated. It's unfortunate, but any excuse, including religion, they can use to justify their barbaric actions, they're going to use and I think we're all in agreement that it needs to stop.

 

I wish to see Islam as a whole marginalized. On the ethical ladder I put it somewhere close to the beliefs of the white-supremacist or nazi. I can think of very few instances where it has not led to the formation of some sort of police state and a total loss of freedom. It also tends to lead to violence in my opinion. This does not mean I would use violence/force to prevent its spreading or show hatred to any Muslim.

 

We hear your criticisms, and we will be sure to come up with a way to be completely marginalized.

Thanks for not understanding,
Muslims everywhere

 

Not understanding what?

 

That the issue is not about religion, but rather the concept of identity. Minorities are marginalized at every opportunity unless the state explicitly states otherwise. Marginalization for the sake of betterment of the majority. It's human nature. It's why we have hierarchies and social classes.

The powerful will seek to rule the weak. In this case, tribes of people in North Africa to the steppes of Asia unite under the banner of Islam to marginalize and exploit the other non-Islamic tribes. Nation states are a new concept, but even now we are drifting toward a tribal society with the ringings of "Multiculturalism is dead".

In the US, you can see this in the demonization of atheists, or maybe something more relevant like white non-Hispanics treat Hispanics.

It's why you would want to marginalize Muslims. But this concept of identity and marginalization is what empowers religions like Christianity, Islam and Hinduism to be maintained to this day. Because at the end of the day, surviving is all that matters.

 

I told you why I wanted to marginalize Islam. I find it unethical and a precursor to a more totalitarian government. For the same reasons I wish to keep white supremacy marginalized. Don't you wish to see white supremacy marginalized? If so, is it your desire to "conquer"?

 

Yes. Because white supremacy is incompatible with my American identity. Russians on the other hand love white supremacy.

 

So if you disagree with a belief system (white supremacy) it is because it is "incompatible with your American identity", but if I disagree with a belief system (Islam) it is because I wish to "divide and conquer"?

 

You view Islam as the practitioner, not the faith. You dislike the people who unite under Islam because of what they do (e.g. the Desis who committed this crime). So in the same sense I'd want to divide and conquer groups that'd subvert what I feel is the best possible life for me and those I care for, you are seeking to do the same.

The only problem with your strategy is that Islam has no leader whereas something like National Socialism does.

 

I haven't spoken once of people. I don't hate people. I said I hate the Islamic belief system not it's practitioners.

I am not a liberal Democrat. I don't attack ideas by attacking some prominent believer of the idea (i.e. trying to attack the tea party by calling Palin dumb). My strategy is not dependent on some leader.

 

The execution of the beliefs are by its practitioners. People, not belief systems, kill people.

 

correct. I don't hate the executioner. I hate his belief system that justified the act in his/her mind.

 

How is that going to help change anything?

Surely, if you hate it, then you will hold the practitioners accountable for believing in it.

Unless you believe they are collectively incapable of coming to the same conclusion as you obviously have?

I smell something.