14 more today. 43 US Soldiers killed in Last 10 Days in Iraq

Here is a question for everybody to think about:

If American troops, so powerfully equipped, can not effectively handle the insurgents, how do we expect them to train Iraqi forces to win against the enemies?

 

What a joke. Do you think the Americans can't handle the insurgents? Is this wishful thinking? You've been selectively reading the news again. It's hard to root out an insurgency when the enemy is hiding behind women and children and setting up base in mosques. That said, WE have thoroughly crippled their operations to the point where they are reduced to cowardly acts such as roadside bombs and bombs in highly populated civilian areas.

It also doesn't hurt when the liberals are attempting to divide the populous at home by trotting out every negative angle on every negative story possible... The terrorists are thinking, "If we can just hold out a little bit longer, we have the liberals on our side in the US helping us to erode support. Finally the leaders will cave and we will be victorious." Are liberals proud to help their cause?

 

MP George Galloway has defended comments referring to insurgents in Iraq as "martyrs", saying he has not put British troops at risk.

During a tour of the Middle East, Mr Galloway spoke of "poor Iraqis" using the most basic weapons to write the names of their towns "in the stars".

The Respect MP accused the UK and America of "raping" Baghdad and said the US was losing the war.

Labour MP Eric Joyce said the comments endangered UK troops "in a small way".

But he said Mr Galloway held little influence.

The former Labour renegade said the only people putting troops at risk were in Mr Blair's government.

"I said countries occupied by UK and US troops are being raped by them. Jerusalem and Baghdad are in the hands of foreigners who are doing their will.

"The people stirring up hatred for our troops are those who put them in Iraq, not the likes of us who want to bring them home to their families.

"The people who put our troops at risk are the people who put them abroad."

Mr Galloway's Respect party stresses that it and the Bethnal Green and Bow MP condemn suicide bombings, whether in London or the Middle East.

Any loss of civilian life is profoundly wrong, says the party, but it blames the US-UK coalition for turning Iraq into a war zone by their invasion.

Mr Galloway claimed the insurgents were ordinary Iraqis defending their country against "foreign invaders".

"It can be said, truly said, that the Iraqi resistance is not just defending Iraq. They are defending all the Arabs and they are defending all the people of the world against American hegemony."

'Martyrs'

In one speech, the MP said: "These poor Iraqis - ragged people, with their sandals, with their Kalashnikovs, with the lightest and most basic of weapons - are writing the names of their cities and towns in the stars, with 145 military operations every day, which has made the country ungovernable.

"We don't know who they are, we don't know their names, we never saw their faces, they don't put up photographs of their martyrs, we don't know the names of their leaders."

Mr Galloway was expelled from the Labour Party over his outspoken remarks about the Iraq war.

He told Syrian Television: "Two of your beautiful daughters are in the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.

"The foreigners are doing to your daughters as they will.

"The daughters are crying for help and the Arab world is silent. And some of them are collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters."

Troop dangers?

Mr Galloway said Tony Blair's idea of a "war on terrorism" was absurd as terrorism was a tactic, not a strategy.

"It's not the Muslims who are sick. It's Bush and Blair and Berlusconi who are sick. It's not the Muslims who need to be cured. It's the imperialist countries that need to be cured."

Falkirk MP Mr Joyce said Mr Galloway was trying to maximise his infamy in the UK with his latest comments, which would not impress people in the Middle East.

"It clearly puts British troops at greater risk in a small way and that is a pity," he said.

Mr Joyce said the words would at least be seen as encouraging resistance in Iraq and would upset troops' families in the UK.

But he said Mr Galloway was now a "marginal" figure who had limited influence.

'Occupation'

John Rees, national secretary of Respect, told BBC News the Iraqi resistance would not be encouraged to attack UK troops by what British politicians had said.

Mr Rees said troops' families were often the most vociferous opponents of the Iraq war.

Labour MP Bruce George, former chairman of the Commons defence committee, said UK and US troops would leave Iraq if there was an end to the insurgency waged by remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime and religious fanatics.

The UK wanted to see Iraq's democratically elected government succeed, he said.

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw this week said the UK was part of the security problem in Iraq and things are "not good" in the country.

He said an agreement on the new Iraqi constitution would be a step to reducing UK troops in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4744685.stm

 

TJ, look at Afghanistan for your modern example of how liberals react towards justified war.

 

The bigger question would be, how long will the U.S. people be willing to support American troops handling the insurgency? 2 years? 5 years? 12 years? This is an insurgency being fueled by individuals outside of Iraq. The insurgency is never going to go away even if the Iraqi people want it too as long as U.S. troops are there.

 

When was the last time US military won a guerrilla war fighting insurgents? Vietnam? Of course our troops handily crushed Saddam's military forces, which basically had no air force, no navy, and offered little resistance. But have we really won the war? T_J, what news have you been reading, other than the coverage of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" stunt?

 

The Con-lie-ador has spoken.

T_J, you have no earthly idea what you yourself are thinking. How could anybody possibly believe that you have an idea of what the terrorists are thinking?

 

RocketmanTex --

Do you think the terrorists want public support in the US divided or united against the War on Terror? Don't you think the terrorists want pressure on our leaders to pull out, so that they can resume their ordinary course of business? Sure they do. The liberals constant complaining and putting pressure on our leaders to cut and run is playing right into the hands of the terrorists. The terrorists know they can't win a war versus the US by traditional means. However, they can run a propaganda war against the support for the war, and hope to crush the morale of the troops and leaders. The libs are manning the front lines in that war for them.

 

Until the next election. Then we declare that the valiant people of Iraq are ready to determine their own fate. We come home have parades, spin a victory on the Sunday news shows and leave Iraq to anarchy until a murderous strongman promises the people stability and starts killing eveyone even remotely connected to any insugency, probably an Ayatollah who can invoke the sanction of god. Eventually he gives the people about the same token of democracy they have in Iran. We sell them blue jeans, oilfield equipment and movies, everyone is happy.

Hey, it worked with Viet Nam.

 

It is such a golden opportunity to shoot the hell of them all, T_J. Nowadays one lethal bullet can kill two bad guys - a terrorist and a liberal.

 

To a large extent we can't handle the insurgents. How much of Iraq is really under U.S. or Iraqi govt. control? Has that increased or decreased?

We don't even control a 10 mile strip of road to the airport. That is a vital link and after a year in charge of Iraq we don't have it under control.

The recent attacks happened in Basra. That area was supposedly under better control than other parts of Iraq.

The U.S. is winning battles to be sure in Iraq. But we aren't in any real control. We haven't been able to provide electricity. In fact electric supply is worse now than we invaded. Safety of the general public isn't under our control, and the strip of road from govt. HQ to the airport isn't under control.

Our troops are doing a good job, and have greatly reduced the insurgency in some areas, but so far we haven't been able to control them on the whole.

If you disagree please show me which areas in Iraq we have provided stability to?

 

If you argue with TJ you must just like the sound of your own typing.
I'd put him on ignor but I am fascinated with the utter limitlessness of his hubris.

Somebody must have done something real strange to him as a child.

 

Proof, please.

The other thing you fail to realize is that a large percentage of the "terrorists" you refer to are Iraqi nationalists, pissed off that a foreign army is occupying their country.

Put yourself in their shoes, T_J. Imagine if the Republican Guard occupied Treasures and prevented you from getting your usual 10+ lap dances. You'd want to kill them too. Admit it.

 

traitor_j's attempt to lay the blame for the Bush Admin's failures in Iraq is a pathetic and transparent ploy to preempively divert responsibility for the on going debacle. The wingnuts are reading the tea leaves and they know that the Bush Administration is likely to drawn down troops well before Iraq has been stabilized. They are trying to lay the groundwork for placing the blame for Iraq's implosion on "liberals" who are sapping America's will to fight this war, rather than on the people who planned, carried out, and cheerleaded the war.

 

Its Deja Vue all over again!

 

I definitely see it in some cases, but this is decidedly not one of them. He posted an article without anything even approaching commentary. In order to get "I told you so" out of this post, you have to read it in yourself.

 

There is a pretty massive difference between defending ourselves in a war that was brought to us by the enemy and us starting a war against a country that could not possibly have been even a remote threat for a decade or more.

All of us, liberal, conservative, or other are rooting for the troops, despite your constant bleating to the contrary. When our soldiers die, it is news, like it or not, and will be reported one way or another. Of course our military is doing their best and I agree that they are doing a great job. Nobody has disputed that undeniable fact.

What the liberals ARE complaining about, and rightly so, is the leadership that our military has been forced to follow. The leadership has made mistake after mistake and our troops are taking it up the arse for those mistakes.

Once again, the TROOPS are courageous, brave, and honorable. It is the leadership that is corrupt, morally bankrupt, and incompetent.

1000 - Number of times t_j and texxx have posted liberal bashing statements devoid of any substance whatsoever.

6 - Number of times said posters have come up with thoughtful, reasoned statements with substance.

 

LOL! Sishir, you gotta love this stuff man! T_J is the most entertaining poster I have ever been around. It's a magic show! He makes up so-called "facts" that apparently he, and only he, knows or has access to. If you argue about ANYTHING, he has an unmatched ability to turn it all around (or change the subject alltogether) to take a stab at so-called "liberals"!

You can't penetrate the man's mind, he truly is living in his own world.

 

Now, now...you are being generous