MacBeth, why do you constantly say the opposite of ones thoughts here who are pro-war? Your stances reeks of sympathy for Iraq. Do you really think Iraq will not excute the hostages? They have nothing to gain having hostages ... nothing to lose excuting them. Right now, its a 1-50 casulty ratio. They are going to do everything they can to kill an american... unarmed or not. This isn't a peaceful natio who abides by the Genava Convention. Sadly, your ass needs to be dropped into baghdad to really experince what goes on there. More importantly, you need to get out of your soft chair and go experince some of the pain this world suffers.
It's been on all day; that's where I got the report which lead to this thread...What am I missing? I'm flipping between BBC, CNN, NBC, and local news...(with the odd drop in to NBA.tvto maintain some sense of escapism) and all they are reprting about it is that the Iraqi's are maintaining that the prisoners have and will be treated properly, however credible that claim is...I have seen no evidence of torture or execution, and indeed only one or two aside comments that someone has head that that was possible...Please ( not sarcastic) tell me what you're seeing that I'm not...
I see...asking if there has been any evidence or if it is just supposition is sympathy for Iraq...I think you have clarified your perspective on this. What I suppose the Iraqi's to be capable of is not what I use to determine what has factually happened...how thoughtless of me. Clearly you think that the two should be indistinguishable, and that not equating supposition with fact is non-patriotic and in need of drastic readjustment.
For what it's worth, Al Jezeera streaming video I don't think it is inappropriate to call you a moron.
Uh huh. Four bodies in the room... What, the Iraqis shot them in combat and then dragged the bodies there? Sure. One of the prisoners was slapped hard on camera. Several others display obvious signs of being beaten. Gunshots don't give you black eyes and busted lips. Why do you have such a hard time accepting that the Iraqis are beating and executing prisoners? It's mindboggling. You know, this is standard stuff for them. And they did say that that was what they were going to do...
I see...I'm a moron for asking if there was any proof...excellent. Please point out where I said it didn't or wouldn't happen...I am supposed to leap from 'there are repotrs of X" to concluding that X is true without using my own ability to think, or asking if anyone knows of any proof...By that definition anyone who asked for evidence that Hussein was dead when it was reported is also a moron...By the way, do you know what the defintion of moron is?
You are a moron for consistently questioning every report by every media outlet with nary a shroud of evidence. That is not an error on your perception, but a clear and continuous bias.
What do you think they would do were they to shoot US soldiers in combat? Leave them out there? Thses people are looking for trophies, as disgusting as that is...I am not having a hard time..I am not saying now, nor have I said that it didn't happen, or that it couldn't happen...I have merely asked for evidence of what did happen, rather than immediatley crediting vague 'reports'...
Trophies? What in the f*ck are you talking about? These are not friggen deer, MacBeth. They are human bodies. You don't drad in human bodies to use as trophies in wartime... You are getting desperate here. They were executed, and the entire world outside of your head sees that. OK, so your TV's on. Look at it.
Oh, BTW - they *did* kill one soldier in the initial combat. They left his body outside near the vehicles (and filmed it). So much for your "trophy" theory. Ridiculous...
Bullet holes in the heads of the dead soldiers I would say is pretty strong evidence of them being executed. I think it's time for another "Shock and Awe" bombing.
There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin... 1) Questioning doesn't require evidence, it asks for it. 2) A moron is someone who is incapable of independent thought, not the reverse. 3) This is, in fact, the first 'report' that I have questioned in here. I never questioned the reports that Saddm was dead, or that the video was a double, or that he was dressing his troops in US uniforms to shoot his people, or...anyways, point proven. But, more to the point, I would have had no problem asking if there was any proof for any of those allegations, just like I asked if there was any proof to the allegations that part of the US report to the UN was faked...I question that which I don't know for myself rather thanbelieve unsubstantiated reports...It's called using your mind. 4) Again, my 'bias' is the result of years of study in this field, and none of my students have ever accused me of being closed minded...which would be hard, as my 'bias' would be hard to explain given my support of past wars, or indeed my filed of stidy ( military history/international relations)...But I know that disagreeing with you must be biased, as you have been so flexible regarding this issue..I know, I know..you haven't been flexible because you've been right. It's most of the rest of the world that's wrong and inflexible...
I don't actually agree with MacBeth on this issue (given the previous track record of the Iraqi regime), but he is absolutely right to question every report in every media outlet, particularly at a time of war. My thought at this time are with the unfortunate servicemen and women who have been captured, whatever the exact circumstances that they are in.
You deny what you are seeing despite overwhelming evidence. You are a moron in the same sense Holocaust Deniers are. ps. Where do you teach?
That was ridiculous..I wasn't advocating them using dead soldiers as 'trophies, in fact I condemed it as disgusting, I was merely pointing out how they use this kind of thing for propoganda...which you have done yourself. If not, why would the bodies be there in the forst place, however they died? You are looking to criticize everything I say regardless of what I'm saying...So you're saying that they would torture and murder, but that dragging in human bodies would be beyond them!?!?!
Do you question all to the point that you don't believe your own f*ing eyes? This is really stupid, MacBeth. You'd be best advised to stop answering in this thread right now. Everyone else but you can clearly see what happened.
That doesn't even deserve a response. And, whilst I believe that atrocities may have been commited, I haven't seen any overwhelming evidence.
Bailey I agree with your last statement, and I appreciate your support regarding questioning, but when you say you disagree with me, do you mean the war in general, or the topic in this post, because despite what the knee jerk reactions of others have been, if you re-read everything I have said inhere I have yet to make ANY position statement on this aside from asking for evidence and questioning supposition. I have never said it didn't happen...I have never said it couldn't happen....I have never said it wouldn't happen...I have merely asked for evidence that it did happen, and have said that there are many possible intepretations for the 'proofs' supposed like bruising, etc...That has been seen to be taking a stance while, ironically, being biased. It would be funny if it weren't so sad...
Once again..I haven't seen anything...I am flipping around the tv...right now on CNN a British military official is giving a report on the RAF...I haven't said it didn't happen....how many times can I repeat myself?
When I said I disagreed, I was merely pointing out that my inclination on this issue was that atrocities had happened. If you agree with that, I'm sorry for misrepresenting you. And I would reiterate, there isn't any overwhelming evidence yet.
