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12.03 games - Brooks STARTING

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Jeff Who, Mar 13, 2011.

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  1. sammy

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    I can't wait from tomorrows game so you can see it again since you're not convinced.

    AB isn't worth the money he's looking for. At least, not for the Rockets.

    Let's see what you guys say when DM drafts another nice player with that pick or packages it for something bigger. Heck, I would be more than happy with Nolan Smith.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    He definitely should have waited a week or 2 to trade him.
     
  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    1. He can't? Last year Goran Dragic shot 39% from 3 and 45% from the field.
    Aaron Brooks shot 40% from 3 and 43% from the field.
    For his CAREER, Aaron Brooks shoots 41% from 2 and 37% from 3.
    In comparison, Goran Dragic shoots 43% from 2 and 36% from 3.


    How much better of a shooter is Aaron Brooks really? Well, it depends on where you are shooting it. From 3, he is 1 percentage point better than Goran for his career. Bravo...
    At the rim is a different story.

    2. The fact that you think it is even remotely plausible that those two could win a ring with their shoddy perimeter defense is very, very telling.

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    Goran Dragic was putting up a 17.2 PER in the playoffs.
    Aaron Brooks was putting up a 15.5 PER in the playoffs.
     
  4. Easy

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    LOL. Every time Brooks has a good game, people will come out and say that Morey got robbed. And every time Dragic has a good game, other people will come out and say how Morey robbed th Suns.
     
  5. LosPollosHermanos

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    That last stat should tell you that you need to a do a bit more prodding considering you did watch the playoffs that year.

    Regardless, wish him the best and I'm not going to lie about looking forward to an epic + entertaining battle hopefully ending in rockets W.
     
  6. LongTimeFan

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    Huh?

    Do I think Aaron Brooks' game would have worked with Kevin Martin? Uhhh, yes -- it looked pretty damn good with him at the tail end of last year. In fact, wasn't Martin telling us about how much he enjoys having another scoring guard playing with him to keep the defense honest? There's definitely a video of that somewhere.

    http://www.thedreamshake.com/2010/3/2/1333934/kevin-martin-aaron-brooks-can-be

    Do I think they could have won a ring together? The fact that you keep shifting your questions to me as I respond is very telling. I said before the season that Morey needed to break up the core of Martin-Brooks-Scola .. three offensive minded players who don't play great defense. But if we had Kevin Martin in place of McGrady the year we went to the playoffs? Abso-friggin-lutely they could have won a ring.

    Do you really think that replacing Brooks suddenly makes us a title contender?

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    IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU THINK IT MAKES US A TITLE CONTENDER... because it doesn't. We're several pieces away from being a contender, so let's stop acting as if the Brooks-Martin pairing was holding us back from winning a ring.
     
  7. Tom Bombadillo

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    He can not distribute at a high level.
    He can not defend at a high level, on the ball or in help.
    He struggles to finish shots at the rim.
    He does not get to the freethrow line.
    He is 6-0, 161 lbs.
    He is a career 41% shooter from the field.


    Unless you have Dwight Howard to cover up these glaring weaknesses, I see no solution to having a championship team whilst starting Aaron Brooks, and neither did anyone else. THAT is why Goran Dragic was the best we could get. Because THAT is the value of Aaron Brooks. He is a tiny shooting guard that is incapapable of playing defense, largely because of his size. Every team in the NBA knows his value just fine. Some Rocket fans are deluded into believing that he is way better than he is in reality. He has been exposed as a guy that does not have the leadership qualties, nor the skills that most teams need from their starting PGs. The scary part of all this is that he is god awful when he comes off the bench, which might make his Jason Terry, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Bobby Jackson role difficult to use for a coach.

    Ideally, he ends up with a team that has a stud defense and a playmaking wing. Basically, he needs to be on an elite team to get a role as a starting PG on a contending team. (Maybe a coach with a team that runs a Princeton with highpost initiation, that can also play stud defense)
     
  8. shortfuse3

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    The PHX system will give Brooks the best stats of his career if they trade Nash. Today the Magic weren't even guarding him in the first half, and Jameer was torching him on the other end. Nothing we havn't seen before. Im glad we have Dragic.
     
  9. zzpot

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    ^^^^^My boy is wicked smart... (Good Will Hunting, Boston accent)

    I like the poker analogy..


    zzpot puff puff :cool:
     
  10. zzpot

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    ................:rolleyes:................:rolleyes:.......................:rolleyes:...............:rolleyes:.............:confused:


    Ok.. no comment


    zzpot puff puff puff :cool:
     
  11. larsv8

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    He was fine as a starting PG, his struggles didnt begin till he was put in a bench role.

    He was the starting PG on the most successful Rockets team in the past 12 years.

    He was not a good bench guy which is what everyone wanted him to be, thus he was run out of town.

    Its fine, we are less talented now, but the pieces seem to fit better. I just think its dumb to trade someone when there value is in the toilet. We'll see what happens with the pick and what kind of contract he gets in the offseason, but if he ends up making Lowry money and the pick ends up being Dorsey we are going to end up looking incredibly stupid.
     
  12. LongTimeFan

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    knote32, you really are clueless. He's been exposed? When was this? When he was killing Steve Blake in the playoffs or when he was killing Derek Fisher in the playoffs? Was he exposed last year when he was the leader of our team and won the MIP award from the NBA?

    Or is it more likely he was "exposed" when he suffered a severe ankle injury and then was put in a role he wasn't comfortable or happy with when he returned? The short term memory of some Rockets fans is unbelievable.
     
  13. Tom Bombadillo

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    Lowry was very arguably better than Brooks last year and the year before, and certainly our best squad was having Brooks at the SG with Lowry on the floor, Remember?

    Lucky us he got to go against the two worst PG's in the playoffs last year, Steve Blake and Derek Fisher.

    Leader of our team?

    :rolleyes:

    Last year's 40-42 team perhaps (Certainly not the team that had Yao/Shane/Landry/Deke and Artest on it...), I am not impressed. Mike James esque, even...
     
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  14. LongTimeFan

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    Selective memory in a nutshell. We were 42-40 in a Western Conference whose 8th seed won 50 games. Let me know the next time Mike James does that -- he was 27-55 during his breakout year.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Let me know next time Aaron Brooks is a contributor on defense (ever) or gets minutes on a world championship team.
     
  16. LongTimeFan

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    Keep up with the argument before coming in, please. I've never said Brooks is a good defender or that he's a better PG than Lowry (WHO HASN'T GOTTEN ANY MINUTES ON A "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM!!!!")

    The only thing I've argued is that Brooks was a whole lot better than people remember. He was one of the biggest contributors to our run in the playoffs and he was the biggest contributor to our team's success last year. "BUT WE WERE A LOTTERY TEAM LOL!!" Why is that his fault? We were considered by most to be a playoff contender with him as our starting PG just the year before. Can he lead a team to the championship all by himself? Uhh nope, but nobody was claiming that either.

    Obviously Phoenix liked Brooks more than Dragic -- which is what I've been saying this whole thread. Brooks > Dragic, so hopefully the 1st rounder we got in addition helps even out the trade.
     
  17. TheFreak

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    Your knowledge of Rockets history is second to none.
     
  18. heypartner

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    I'm going to pile on with TheFreak. Not only do you show surprisingly poor knowledge of Rockets history in that statement, but you have selectively forgotten about the Spurs, too.

    Parker and Kenny Smith

    That's 5 out of the last 16 championships. 31% of the rings over 16 yrs did NOT have a defensive or distributing PG. Notice the "or." Even one trait would ok. But not both.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    I know. I'm talking about Mike James. That's why I quoted where you said "Let me know the next time Mike James does that"

    What is the likelihood of Aaron Brooks forming a defensive-oriented, backup guard unit deemed the "Pit Bulls" on the NBA's best defensive team, as James and Lindsay Hunter were in 2004?

    Probably -1,934%.
     
  20. Tom Bombadillo

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    Touche. So If Aaron Brooks can find one of the top 10 players to ever play the game to play with, he will be good to go!

    (Kenny shot 48% from his career, and Tony is always over 50%)

    Find me a PG that can't defend, distribute and shoot over 45%... :grin:
     
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