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11th-hour brinkmanship from the freight rail industry, its unions and both parties in Congress.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Sep 14, 2022.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Wait!:mad:

    That’s my thing!

    Please don’t take this away from me. If not for my reputation for being a martial arts dude on this board I’m just know for being a wishy washy contended moderate..:p
     
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  2. Invisible Fan

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    This is the weirdest thread to pick a fight over.

    Someone's deeply triggerd by Thomas the Tank Engine.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Do you know a dojo owner named Seth in the Twin Cities? I don't know where his dojo is
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I know a Seth who does Judo but he’s up by Duluth.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Wouldn't be him. He is a server at Ciao Bella and he mentioned that when I saw him last weekend. I'll ask him where next time.
     
  6. TheRealist137

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    Bidens been on a winning streak so trumpers are more irritated. They HATE that gas prices are going down, and the railroad strike was averted.
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    Shoot I'm still worried about the economy and the markets but some people like to non-stop b**** about Brando while not giving credit for the same short term things they'd b**** about in reverse
     
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    This is one of the thing they fought for. To be able to take time off for medical reasons without punishment. Most of us take this stuff for granted and don’t realize not everyone has these basic working rights.

     
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    #129 Haymitch, Sep 20, 2022
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    This just seems like a bit of grandstanding and Biden and company did avert a strike point blank so that's worthy of celebration.

    That statement does not really say anything to think the deal is in danger, i'm sure there is still wiggle room on both sides.
     
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    Is that a legit website? Even that page it links to is pretty suspicious.

    Not seeing anywhere else making this claim.
     
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    Good to hear you will be ok. You're so stupid you posted a gif that you self own. Maybe start breathing out of your nose instead of your mouth
     
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    Rail workers union rejects contract, renewing strike threat
    The deal brokered by the Biden administration included a 24 percent raise and annual bonuses, but some workers say it did not go far enough on sick leave and working conditions

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/10/11/railroad-union-rejects-deal/

    excerpt:

    President Biden was personally involved in the talks — as were three of his Cabinet secretaries, his top economic adviser and his chief of staff — that led to the deal hammered out last month. He hailed it as a win for both carriers and workers.

    But many union members were skeptical from the start, with some telling The Washington Post that the details were opaque. The plan included a 24 percent pay increase by 2024 — bringing the average wage to $110,000 a year — and $1,000 annual bonuses for five years. It also ensured health-care co-pays and deductibles would not increase.

    But it seemed to include only one paid sick day, even after union leaders had pushed for 15.

    “Railroaders are discouraged and upset with working conditions and compensation and hold their employer in low regard. Railroaders do not feel valued,” BMWED President Tony D. Cardwell said in a statement Monday announcing the vote outcome. “They resent the fact that management holds no regard for their quality of life, illustrated by their stubborn reluctance to provide a higher quantity of paid time off, especially for sickness.”

    The tentative pact stemmed from two years of negotiations between the carriers and unions, and the White House appointed an emergency board in early July to mediate. One of the sticking points was a points-based attendance policy adopted by some of the largest carriers earlier this year. Those policies can penalize workers for missing work for routine doctor’s appointments or family emergencies.

    Workers had pushed for more flexibility in this area, and some seemed disappointed when the tentative deal appeared to include only one paid sick day.

    The proposed deal was celebrated as a big achievement for Biden, who has pledged to be the “most pro-union president” in U.S. history. On Tuesday, a White House spokeswoman said that Biden remains focused on avoiding a rail shutdown.
    more at the link

     
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    Shocked. But hey, for the admin it might be "mission accomplished" anyway since it's no longer news of interest for most people.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-bi...emergency-board-11669070947?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    Biden’s Railroad Deal Falls Apart
    Workers reject terms touted by the White House. A strike is possible before Christmas.
    By The Editorial Board
    Nov. 21, 2022 7:13 pm ET

    President Biden took credit for avoiding a rail strike before the election, and he even needled us on Twitter for doubting him. Well, now workers are rejecting the new contract he pushed, and Congress may have to step in to head off a destructive strike.

    The odds of a strike rose Monday after the two largest rail-worker unions announced votes on the pending labor agreement. The decision was split: The engineers union backed the deal 54% to 46%, while conductors and brakemen rejected it 50.9% to 49.1%. A few hundred votes made the difference in the latter, 28,000-member group, but close doesn’t count. “It’s now back to the bargaining table,” the head of the conductors union said Monday.

    Union leaders have now missed their best chance to regain momentum for the deal after the rank and file of three other rail unions turned it down in recent weeks. The heads of each union approved the labor agreement in September and pledged to sell it to their members. But its rejection by four of the 12 voting bodies, including the largest, shows there’s still a big gap between workers’ demands and what the railroads are ready to offer. A strike could begin Dec. 9 if no deal is reached, just in time for Christmas.

    Mr. Biden convened the parties before a previous deadline in September and lobbied union leaders to get on board. Their quick buy-in delayed what could have been a midterm election disaster for Democrats and let Mr. Biden boast that he’d kept the trains “running on time.” But his intervention rushed union leaders into an agreement some members were cool on, and foreclosed a chance for Congress to extend the bargaining period.

    A strike could cost 700,000 jobs across multiple industries and erase the equivalent of the past three months’ job gains, according to an analysis by the American Chemistry Council. It could also raise producer prices by 4%. An economy enduring stagflation doesn’t need the unforced error of freight disruptions.

    More time to sell the deal might have gone a long way because it offers workers substantial gains. Rail employees would get a 24% pay increase over five years, their biggest in 40 years. This includes an average of $16,000 in immediate back pay. They’d also retain their platinum healthcare package with a mere 15% premium contribution.

    The deal unions voted on is based closely on the recommendations of the Presidential Emergency Board (PEB), which Mr. Biden created in July and staffed with labor-law experts. The maintenance workers union demanded the board step in over the summer, saying it “wants a PEB and a fair and equitable contract.” Then it became the first union to reject the deal anyway.

    A dispute over sick leave is the biggest reason for some employees’ reluctance. The tentative deal guarantees one day of paid leave to workers calling in on short notice, while the current contract offers none. After its vote, the maintenance worker union said the offer showed “management holds no regard for their quality of life.”

    But the presidential board rejected the request for more short-term sick leave, saying current terms reflect unions’ own preference over decades of bargaining. Policies vary across each railroad, but most employees are already paid for sick days after the first four. Carriers say that guaranteeing more paid days off would upend schedules in an already understaffed industry.

    Negotiations have resumed between carriers and union leaders, but the impasse is deep. That raises the possibility that Congress may need to impose a deal and stop a strike. Sens. Richard Burr and Roger Wicker introduced legislation in September that would enact the presidential board’s terms, and their proposal drew bipartisan interest. Will House Democrats balk now that the election is over?

    President Biden calls himself the best friend unions have ever had in the White House, and he’s certainly lavished enough money on public unions. But apparently workers in the private economy aren’t feeling the same love, and maybe this time Mr. Biden should stay out of the way.

    Appeared in the November 22, 2022, print edition as 'Biden’s Railroad Deal Falls Apart'.





     
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    LOL
    and there you have it folks!
    king of the 2s - little ball of hate!

    Dems won AGAIN!
    this dude blowing a gasket...going to have an aneurysm. sounds healthy! Somehow I missed this thread and the entire board humiliating your fetish

    I feel truly sorry for the people around you.
    Talk about brutal.
    Wow
     
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  20. King1

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    You're a waste of oxygen. And of course @Andre0087 liked your post. Two social lepers
     
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