DaDakota is a 1999'er. If he says the the laws of thermodynamics are not set.....then they are not set Thats just how us 1999'ers roll.
ROFLMAO...I am saying no such thing...but maybe not all the factors are being discussed. And, the guy flat out did it.....I mean he did it........how can that fact be ignored? And then if you read about it, when he went to manufacture he got sued and ran into patent infringement with big Car manufacturers and Oil companies..... Which frustrated him to no end..... Do you guys honestly think that Car manufacturers and Oil companies and the US government actually care for the people, or continuing their profits? Someone that does not respect patent law....probably another country etc...would have to make this happen. DD
I'd be interested to know if anyone else has been able to make it work. I have no doubt that there must be a far better solution then what we have now.
Another article about it "There were attempts to discredit Ogle's invention, but one of the articles states the following: Registered state engineer Frank Haynes Jr. conducted one inspection, and another inspection was conducted by Professor John Whitacre and Professor Garry Hawkins from the Mechanical Engineering department at the University of Texas at El Paso. Both inspections indicated that the device did what Ogle represented that it did; that is, that the device allowed the old car that Ogle used in his run to Deming to get in excess of 100 miles per gallon." I mean it worked, and now...nothing.....amazing. To me it sounds like he created an ulta efficient way to break the fuel into vapors and then inject it directly into the pistons...giving the engine what it needed, with minimal wastage. DD
Well, the car companies don't have any vested interest in preventing fuel efficient cars from coming to market. If they did, they wouldn't be spending the billions of dollars they're spending on research and development in an attempt to better gas mileage. It wasn't long ago that Honda tested a Civic that got 100mpg. And a guy named Wayne Gerdes claims he got 85 mpg in his '03 Ford Ranger pick-up.
Actually car companies are tied in heavily with Oil companies, and do you honestly think that auto manufacturers want to spend BILLIONS more retooling their factories, when they can simply keep adding more cup holders? Not to mention all the mechanics that would have to be trained etc...it would create a severe upheavel......but one that is probably needed. The combustion engine is relatively unchanged in the last 100 years......it would be like flying overseas in a prop driven airplane. It sure looks like pure laziness, and a cash grab...of epic proportions... What is funny is I see a lot of people saying "it is impossible" due to whatever reason....but the fact remains......it was done.....and documented...and tested.....it worked. DD
I'd love to see some Formula One teams get their hands on something like this. When they put their minds to it, F1 teams have come up with technology thats been way ahead of the curve. They have made some moves towards alternative energy devises, you can see one system they want to add to cars here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake They want all F1 cars to be hybrids by 2013, pretty amazing when you're talking about the cutting edge of motor sport.
This guy invented one in the 30s that got over 200mpg And it was tested by Ford and a Winnepeg car company..... DD
DD I'm with you on this one... but then I'm a bit of a conspiracy theory guy anyway. It's hard to argue with the science of lbpman and others, but it's also evident that something happened/worked, and the "whokilledtheelectriccar" thing is poignant. On a side note, what about this? http://www.aptera.com Seems much can be done, if we allow the smart people to set our minds to it. I've wondered for years why cars are designed so non-aerodynamically.
i hear that current cars use only 10 percent of the gasoline's potential energy to move the car. the rest is either unburned, wasted heat or wind resistance. therefore, if a modern car gets 25mpg, 100mpg is possible (or about 40 percent efficiency) without any thermodynamic laws being broken. electric right now, gets 90 percent efficiency.
Ok, After much research I think I can explain it to where it makes sense to the Physicists as well as the layman. The problem seems to be one of absolutes in properties of a gallon of gasoline in amount of BTUs... The disconnect is in how many of those BTUs are needed to fire a piston. The way an engine works is gasoline is sprayed into a cylinder and as it is compressed upwards by the piston a spark ignites the gasoline forcing the piston back down to repeat the cycle. The way the regular system works is the gas is sprayed in there in a mist like form and then ignited. What a vaporizing system does is superheat the gasoline or boil it FIRST (around 500 -600 degrees F) this turns the gasoline into vapors which are then injected into the piston cylinder caussing the explosion and forcing the piston down. The difference is that the Vapors are an efficient explosion, you don't need as much of it to get the force necessary to move the piston downward, wheareas in a fuel injection system the explosion is inefficient and a lot of the gasoline just burns off rather than contributing much to the explosion itself. This allows you to get much more efficient use of the gallon of gas, by simply using a lot less of it (in vapor form) to acheive the desired results. I hope this makes sense, as it did to me as I was thinking it through a bit ago. DD
I'm holding out for Cold Fusion. You just wait. Val Kilmer is on the case and he's really close to finding all of those white slips of folded paper. Then you'll see. You'll all see. (I'm looking at you, Soviet Russia!!!)
i dont get what patents do? if someone has a patent then someone else can't manufacture it right? so why dont they just release the process/directions to the public? it will eventually force the people with the patent to manufacture it.
Most of the public aren't mechanics and don't have the means or ability to build and support the technologies. So, yes... a few do-it-yourself mechanics could build it on their own and for themselves. But if they tried to sell their services or sell converted cars, they would get hammered by the patent owners (big-company oil or auto manufacturers).
correct so whats the harm in releasing the directions? it would start as underground/illegal and as it spread more it would pretty much force the patent holders to manufacture the product.
They do, though. The engines that manufacturers put in their cars are changing all the time, using new technology to wring better gas mileage out of existing and developing technology. That we are able to have the seemingly insane amounts of horsepower available while also seeing significantly improved gas mileage over the past twenty-thirty years shows that, at the very least, automobile manufacturers are attempting to build more efficient engines and more efficient cars (the over all fuel economy may not increase due to increased horsepower or the public buying larger cars that offset the mileage gains). Now, the car companies are always going to balance the cost of implementing a change against the potential profits. No publicly owned business is going to approach it any other way. If no car company has utilized this system, I maintain the reason is because of something other than a huge multinational conspiracy. I'd buy laziness or cost pressures much sooner (or a fear of radical change... or it doesn't really work in practical application).
while that may be true, the lone mechanic if he didn't care about his own pocket book would not need to sell it, just demonstrate it to the public, that way, if this thing is legitimate, the news would be out. I don't even think .5% of the people in America know about this so-called 100 MPG vehicle.
Patents are only for a limited duration, though, usually 20 years. Which would mean that the patent protection for the Ogle engine likely expired 10 years ago.
