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#1 Ohio State At #2 University of Texas

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Ubiquitin, Sep 2, 2006.

  1. gucci888

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    So what you're saying is that fans aren't allowed to complain about play calling because we don't call the plays? Is this coming from the guy who blames Francione for single handedly ruining Reggie's college career? I guess you can't blame him because you weren't calling the plays. Or did I misread your post?

    The fact is that the play calling was a big disappointment, it mainly consisted of screen plays and dump passes to the RB. And even though the Buckeye defense couldn't stop the run, we didn't pound it down there throat like we should have with Young and Charles running as well as they did lastnight.
     
  2. Kam

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    It worked okay for Ronnie Brown, and Carnell Williams.
     
  3. gucci888

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    Very true, but I don't think we Selvin and Charles are going to run for a 1,000 yards each like Brown and Cad did. Hopefully I'm wrong though. ;)
     
  4. IC2000

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    Fans can complain all they want but you have to be realistic. There is a reason why those plays were called. The run was working great but they also needed to establish the pass to win the game. These are the same coaches who hadn't lost in like 20 games right?

    As for Francione and Mcneal. Francione did not recruit Mcneal and it did not seem like Mcneal was a good fit for his offense.
     
  5. gucci888

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2581868
     
  6. gucci888

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    Good post, your other post made it seem like fans can't complain because we're not the ones making the calls.

    And yes there are reasons why those plays were called, but like halfbreed posted, they're not necessarily good ones. I think Mack and Davis tried too hard to protect McCoy, but by doing so, they really didn't give him a shot to make big plays IMO. Also, there were a couple 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 where it should have been a McCoy sneak or throw in Melton to pound it in, instead we either tried to pass it or run a off tackle.

    But the offense isn't the only ones to be blamed. The defense was equally as bad, Chizik and crew made no adjustments to their TE. We gave up big cusions which opened up the flats completely wide open.

    But anyways...as I posted, OSU showed why they're #1 and UT showed that as talented as we are, we still have a freshman QB.
     
  7. DanzelKun

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    I agree, he was in the box right above my section and it was cool before the game started, pumping everyone up and all, but once we were in the midst of the game it was driving me crazy how after every play, every girl (and a few guys) would turn and stare to see how the dude was reacting... the freaking game is THAT WAY!! :mad:
     
  8. mrdave543

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    i was in section 25....so u were probably there too...or 26?
     
  9. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Not to mention Priest Holmes.
     
  10. Major

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    But the point of establishing the pass is to do something different. If your running game is working, you're sucking in the defense. Throwing sideways where the defense has already come up to protect against the run is worthless. The complement to the running game (especially given that much of the running game was actually east/west) is a downfield passing game. You're not establishing the pass if you're throwing to the same places you're running to.
     
  11. Deckard

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    Man, sorry that I'm late to this, but hell, I was expecting a close game. Very disappointed in the secondary of the Horns, and I would b**** about the play calling, but I'm sure there are zillions of posts about it already. It's in the numerous pages here, no doubt, but you have to wonder how the secondary might have played without the absence of the suspended players, particularly Tarell Brown. Smith to Gonzalez killed us, and it was like the Horns were back on their heels in the secondary all night. Those two guys may have made the difference... maybe not, but Horn's fans will have to wonder, and certainly wonder about the pre-game disruption the whole silly incident caused.
     
  12. MadMax

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    my dad called me at halftime and asked why we were passing at all! :D i agree with your post. running is the safest option. if you can do it..and they can't stop you...then you don't go away from it.
     
  13. SWTsig

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    agreed.
     
  14. rrj_gamz

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    Ok, OSU was the better team, but all the Heisman hype made me throw up a little in my mouth...Don't get me wrong, Troy Smith is a nice player, but is he a difference maker, a super star stud...Please...He couldn't hold Vince Young's jock, and that's all they did is compare him to VY...

    UT's Defense was atrocious and Colt played like a newbie, which shouldn't be surprising, but apparently it was...I'm sure glad I didn't blow any cash on overpriced tickets...
     
  15. Desert Scar

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    Losing Brown at CB hurt a lot more than I thought, but didn't turn the game. tOSU is just better, and it starts with coaching.

    Texas lost the game on offense. 24 is not bad to give up to this tOSU team, particularly considering the TOs.

    Greg Davis just is a way sub-par coach among the elite D1s coordinators. The game totally reminded me of the pre-VY OU games. Very conservative playcalling and way too many short passes.

    Davis also has no idea how to play to strengths. Texas may have the best Oline in the country, 3 of 5 returners from a great oline last year. They also have two excellent tailbacks. They should have gone power--1 or 2 TEs plus a fullback. They should have spent all spring on this, maybe work Melton is as FB. Heck they were getting over 5 yards per carry. That would have simplied the game mightily for Colt and kept the explosive tOSU offense off the field much more. Should have been 2-1 runs to passes with most of the passes off play action--should have been the plan since VY left, but it was like Davis fell in love with the VY scheme forgetting it may take Texas another century to find another.

    Davis is history is just piss poor in big games. Superstars like Roy Williams and Simms as well as lots of other excellent players just have gotten little help in putting themselves in the best situations. It is no accident the times Texas has had the most success versus good competition has been with improve QBs, VY doing it with his atheticism and Major with his mind. It really speaks little of Davis. To me Colt did OK and probably followed coaches directions, just like Simms, but Davis put him in way too many predictable situations against a solid team.

    In the end tOSU deserved to win. They are the better team. I think the talent on the sidelines are close, but the coaching and preparedness was much superior by Tressell and co. Very similar to Stoops and co, Belloti and co, etc.

    One somewhat positive thing. Talk about cementing VY legacy. Basically the same offense that was a 50PPG one with VY and 20+ wins is a a 25PPG one, versus good teams it is a 7PPG offense instead of a 30PPG one. VY made a lot of player and coaches look much better then there were and this game, which Texas probably easily wins with him, was quite the testament to just how special of college football player VY was.
     
  16. Fatty FatBastard

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    Man. I vaguely heard about this game. I was at a wedding the entire time, so I did not get to see the shelacking that ut got.

    Unfortunately, I cannot be pleased. Tech had to go to overtime to beat another crappy ut team.

    One thing I do know is.... I'm bringing T Rex to the game (he's a TCU fan), and if frogs beat Tech, he knows he's getting a swirly in the public toilet.
     
  17. Major Malcontent

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    Eh this decade, you guys are right up there with So Cal(won 1 BCS and appeared in 2) and Oklahoma.(Won 1, appeared in 3) But the only one title game appearance since '70 probably puts you guys behind the Florida schools and the likes of Nebraska and Alabama overall. Though lately, you are right...hard to find a program more successful

    You guys will have a hard time with both Nebraska and OU. Not saying you can't win both games but they won't be walkovers.

    Anyway, its a program to be admired. I wish my favorite schools did as well, but until recently I haven't thought of ya'll as a perennial National Championship contender.
     
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I disagree, they have been right there many times.

    Top 5 is at least in the ball park.

    DD
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    Heck, top 2 in the BCS is in the ball park. It is somewhat of a longshot, because I am pretty sure WVU will be undefeated and a one loss tOSU or 1 loss SEC team would probably get the nod over a 1 loss Texas, but I really don't think were are going to see 2 undefeated teams. I really think ND, tOSU, SC, and the SEC powers will all lose a game or two--though SC probably has the most advantagous schedule with their only top 15 opponent being ND at home. Too many competitive games on most of these teams schedules where an off day and they lose. WVU is a different story, they are an excellent team with only UL having a decent chance.

    More importantly though, Texas has a long way to go to win the rest of their games. The offense was poor against a mediocre defense who lost 9 guys to NFL tryouts, and remember both Tex and No Ill moved the ball plenty versus tOSU. I think Davis killed Texas chances by not retooling the offensive schemes once VY decided to go pro. Run the ball in a power formation, run the ball in a power formation, pass the ball off play action in a power formation with Sweed or a TE getting 1 on 1 coverage--should have been the whole offensive plan given the returning hogs up front and the great running backs available. This spread and short passing stuff that neither played power nor stretched the field vertically was incredibly stupid to scheme for with fresh QBs.

    I think the best team in the SEC will be the best team in the county in the end of the day. We will see if they make the NC game because the conference is so deep it will be so hard for any of them to win them all. The real #1 and #2 teams may be facing this week: Auburn-LSU. They have defenses that outclass what I have seen elsewhere and some explosive skill position players. Florida, Georgia and Tenn all could be legit top 10 teams as well. Just completely sick conference and the regular season winner will have to play another great opponent in the SEC championship.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    If anybody cares, I jsut read a great breakdown of the game here:

    http://www.rpongett.phpwebhosting.com/ut-ohst.html


    BTW, after re-watching that, I reiterate my contention that pressure on the QB was not a factor in Texas' passing ineptitude. I just re-watched every passing play, and I can count maybe a handful of plays were pressure was a factor. Sorry but Colt had a lot of time to throw; I'm not sure who was open downfiled, but for the most part, aside from a few errors on blitz pickups (the RB's fault anyway, I would imagine) and some mixups late after the game was decided, the OL did their job.
     

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