#1 Nausiating Excuse This Season: JVG Not Utilizing Yao Properly

Whatever. You don't have to know every detail about a person to know that If you grow up in a certain culture, no matter how individualized you see yourself, you bow to certain societal pressures whether you consciously know it or not. Think about what he said for a second, it'll make sense.

Let me put it more simply for you - I can tell you if I grew up in China rather than the USA, i'd be a different person. Anyone that thinks different needs a reality-check.

Stuart

 

Mutombo also does not command double teams prior to the ball being passed into the post.

Last night Mutombo and Yao both played very well while in the game. I quite frankly can not see the reason anyone would blame Yao for his performance last night.

Comparing the defense played against Yao and Mutombo is not fair since defenses play them differently.

 

Culture is everything: the social construction of reality. No doubt, Ming's "reality" is different than ours; however, personality issues are at play as well. Ming's situation is complex. During the Games he was yelling at his teamates, calling them out, playing aggressively, etc. Here he is very passive and inconsistent.

I personally don't think Patrick Ewing is a good influence on him, and JVG's personality is too negative to bring out his best. However, those observations are largely suppostional as I am viewing the situation from a considerable distance. The facts are Ming is big and skilled, but passive and slow. I know this, the Suns were daring the Rockets to make their outside shots, and they couldn't. If they had, Ming would have been more open.
In some ways, Ming's skills appear to have declined; this has to be coaching.

 

Well, if yao is traded. Then there will be someone haters against someone lovers.

Are you referring to last night's game?

Yao fought very hard for each basket. I think he needs to yeal to the whole team, "listen, you dumb*sses, if you don't pass me the f**king ball, I will kick the **** out of your asses."

 

or, i will make van gundy trade you!

 

Yao is not free. He's restricted in how he should play the game. The culture difference is a valid point, but not for Yao. I would say Yao is more aggressive in China or on the CNT than he is in the NBA. I think the restraints on Yao is two folds.

1. The inconsistent calls from the refs. The CBA and international officiating on Yao isn't nearly as horrendous as it is in the NBA. How can one be aggressive when the refs call a defensive foul on one when all he does is raising his arms? Yao gets treated like sh#t by the refs and JVG needs to do a better job on that. He needs to work the refs himself, as well as train Yao on working the refs, cuz in the CBA players don't work the refs. Chinese view the refs like they view the teachers. Too much respect. If nobody teaches him, Yao simply doesn't know how to.

2. Yao has never been given the green light to play his game. He has no freedom upon entering the NBA. People treat his game like a controlling parent to a little kid, ignoring his strengths and wish he becomes something that he is not and never will - a Shaq-like dominant post player that plays only with his back to the basket. Other than that all he does is to set screens and collect putbacks. The fact is Yao has never been given a chance to develop his game facing the basket. Yao won't complain 'cuz he's a good soldier. His one on one game facing the basket has never been developed. Plays utilizing his face up game has never been designed. Yao could run, catch and pop a jumper from 15 feet out when he first entered the league. Now it's lucky if he can hit a set jumper.

The result of the Shaqnization led to the ignorance of the other facets of his game. On post play, Yao is better at lurking around the basket, getting deep position when the defender isn't fully aware, receiving a quick pass, then just turnaround and score. The nature of set post play is to use him as an initiator on offense, rather than a finisher. Coupled with the fact that there's no plays designed for him to finish. No wonder if Yao views himself as a cow on offense. If you think Yao is too unselfish, the approach of exclusive set post play just compound that problem. It's not fair to blame Yao for his unselfishness, the system is geared to encourage it.

On his face up game, Yao should get his run, catch and pop back. Also, Yao can drive diagonally to the basket like Duncan and KG. I've seen him doing it before. He can even mix up a little pump fake before he drives. The reason we seldom see him doing it is his lack of a reliable running jump hook. That's an area Yao should work on. A stop and fadeaway jumper doesn't hurt him either. There should be plays that exploits his height and passing ability. I don't want to abandon the set post play, but being 7'6" doesn't mean one should only work under the basket. To put it short, nobody should be stopped from being a complete player because he's a few inches taller than others.

It frustrates me to watch Yao develop, knowing he's only playing half of his game.

 

beautiful

 

sabonis

Re-read Will's post and if it's not generalisation then I dont know what it is. He suggested because Yao's from a "No matter who killed, everyone ate" communist china, he likes redistributing. He actually wrote it as a matter of fact rather than a suggestion. Then by his logic, shouldnt ANY chinese BB player has the same playing style as Yao? Then please explain why there is a lot of ball-hoggers in CBA who are at the same age group as Yao. Then please explain why Yao didnt redistribute the ball when he played with his national team. Do u want me to extend the same questions to all walks of life in china to prove my point? I am really interested in Will's knowledge in his so called "No matter who killed, everyone ate" system. Life is so wonderful in mainland china? Why hasnt Yao shared his sponsorships with some of his poor fellow chinese who may actually still in poverty? Shouldnt he has the "Here, I don't need it. You take it" mentality?


And of course I agreed that if you grow up in a certain culture, you bow to certain societal pressures. But does it mean u are all the "same" if u are under certain culture? KG likes to share the ball in his early career, was he from communist N. Korea? And of course if u grew up in China, you'd be a different person. But are u sure u would share exactly the same fundamental values as Yao?

Yes anyone that thinks different needs a reality-check.

 

this is easily the best insightful analysis on Yao I have seen in a long time. It's just a wonderful picec to read. Bravo. Panda. my hat off to you.

 

Generally speaking, you're correct. Yao is more likely to be doubled or shaded than Deke. But I tape every game and have 85% of every game Yao has ever played in a Rockets uni. And Yao gets a truckload of single coverage. That's the underlying point of this thread. With Yao's physical gifts, no team should single cover him. The fact that it's happening with greater frequency ought to tell you something.

 

My problem is that you're stretching what Will said.

Of course it's generalisation, it was never my argument that it wasn't. Some generalisations are needed believe it or not. And just because they fall under that umbrella doesn't mean it's bad.

And he is applying those generalisations to Yao, not to all Chinese people in general. Yao himself is displaying the traits that Will and many others associate with China, but not all Chinese people. I'm sure he has seen Wang Zhizhi play and would never say that he has the same mindset (as I wouldn't).

Again, you're stretching what Will said

So, if you agree that if someone grew up in the USA is different than someone growing up in China, then how so? And in what ways? And then, in those ways, isn't that also a generalisation?

Take it for what he said and not more than that.

Stuart

 

sabonis

Then please explain why Yao didnt redistribute the ball when he played with his national team. Why hasnt Yao shared his sponsorships with some of his poor fellow chinese who may actually still in poverty? Shouldnt he has the "Here, I don't need it. You take it" mentality? And why would he go to nba if he has such mentality?

Edit: And how did I stretch what Will said?

Will: Yao grew up in a communal culture, he has "No matter who killed, everyone ate" mentality, that's why he like to redistribute.

Dragon167: Bush grew up in texas, he has "cowboy" mentality, that's why he likes to go to war.

Generalisation prevails, it's even better with a bit of ignorance.

 

Yaoming is going in the wrong direction.He will never be a shaq-type player.He should take advantage of his shining points.
What strength the hell does he have?According the way the rox played against the sun,yaoming has got into the bad situation.I hope that's temporary.

 

Yeah, I can't believe so many threads were started complaining Yao's performance as if he were the reason why we lost the game yesterday. I thought he and Mutombo played really well on both sides of the floor. They combined 29pts with limited touches, and more importantly, they defended Amare so well without help and took him out of the game all night.

Remember that Lanqiu1 guy? Although I think most of his posts are BS, but I believe more and more that he is probably right about one thing: Yao is becoming Steve Francis of last year, the fall guy of every loss. The people who are complaining Yao's aggressiveness seem forget T-Mac was 8-25 for the night and missed 11 straight shots in one stretch. 11 missed jumpers in the row! Can you image what will happen if Yao shoots like that?

I understand people always like the newcomers and inclined to give them the benefit of doubt. Yao had this treatment before. Now his honeymoon is over. We fans can't make the call, but we all know right now nobody is untradeable for Rox organization, if Yao get traded someday, I believe our YOFs or YOFs will all happy and move on.

 

Dude, I really hate to gum up this thread by responding to your jerking knee (and please spare me your slander that I said all Chinese were the "same"), but if you're suggesting that Yao Ming hasn't done enough for his country or that he didn't pass the ball back to those useless guards on the Chinese national team, then the movie you've been watching is something other than reality.

Yao shares. He shares a lot with his countrymen. He shares the ball too much with the Rockets guards and waaaaaaay too much with the Chinese national team guards. And that's a fact.

 

Will

U never really answer my questions that how much u know about Yao which would significantly set the tone of his "Here, I don't need it. You take it" mentality. Actually I will respect your observation if U can tell me the evidence of your conclusion. And I have never tried to refute your original observation. But if your logical flow is: Yao likes to redistribute>>>>>>he has "Here, I don't need it. You take it" mentality>>>>>>Oh, it must be his communal culture. Then I beg to disagree. I think generalisation doesnt contribute much to meaningful discussion.

I think I have made my point (valid or not) and It will also be my last post on this thread. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

 

#1 Nausiating Post This Season(no pun intended)

I'm not the one who posted that ' JVG Not Utilizing Yao Properly ' stuff, but I certainly would never call them nausiating, obnoxious, whatever. They just represent someone's opion. and if you read them objectively, you might find some of those stuff sounds very true. You can completely disagree with them, though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, it's totally unnecessary and babyish to call some other poster's opinion nausiating. Good argument is based on solid reasoning, not on mean adjectives. That's all.

I hope someone doesn't throw up after reading this.

 

Last year, Yao was god in clutch city.
This year, T-mac is god.