I don't doubt he's onto something. This insurrection was organized, planned, launched; but so far he's not there. Too many woulda-coulda-shoulda's.
I don't really know much about him and certainly his claims should be considered with proper skepticism but what is undoubtable is that there was forethought to this. It's a fact that several people showed up armed and with tools to break in. It's also a fact that Trump had been saying for weeks there would be this rally and in his own words was "going to be wild." We also know that in the weeks leading up to it that Trump and his supporters were already threatening election officials and putting pressure on Pence to try to not certify the Electors.
I don't see a ton of negativity here. I don't subscribe. His tweets and freely released articles give me enough. He's trying to build a brand, but based on what he gives away, the product is solid enough for a subscription, IMO. I'm open minded tp what you're saying, and you should always question what others say in the political arena. So prove it.
He found an audience during the post-Comey-firing hysteria where people like Louise Mensch, Eric Garland and Claude Taylor spun yarns that the extremely-online anti-Trump left ate up. It was fan fiction and I'm upset at myself that I know any of their names and that they monetized their alternate realities. The New Republic: The New Paranoia Paste Magazine: Stop Listening to Seth Abramson's Hack Trump-Russia Theories
this might belong here... https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-takeaways-trumps-effort-overturn-125657116.html Key Takeaways From Trump's Effort to Overturn the Election For 77 days between the election and the inauguration, President Donald Trump attempted to subvert American democracy with a lie about election fraud that he had been grooming for years. A New York Times examination of the events that unfolded after the election shows how the president — enabled by Republican leaders, advised by conspiracy-minded lawyers and bankrolled by a new class of Trump-era donors — waged an extralegal campaign that convinced tens of millions of Americans the election had been stolen and made the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol almost inevitable. Interviews with central players, along with documents, videos and previously unreported emails, tell the story of a campaign that was more coordinated than previously understood, even as it strayed farther from reality with each passing day. Here are some key takeaways: As some lawyers on Trump’s team pulled back, others were ready to press ahead with suits skating the lines of legal ethics and reason Within 10 days of the election, even as Trump and his supporters promoted allegation after allegation of voter fraud, his team of election lawyers knew that the reality was the inverse of what Trump was presenting: They were not finding substantial evidence of malfeasance or enough irregularities to overturn the election. That reality was hammered home Nov. 12, when final Arizona results showed Joe Biden with an irreversible lead of more than 10,000 votes that rendered the legal team’s main lawsuit in that state — which had identified 191 ballots to contest — moot. At an Oval Office meeting that day, the election lawyers squared off against the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, over Giuliani’s embrace of questionable legal tactics and conspiracy theories like one that Dominion voting machines had transformed Trump votes into Biden votes. Ultimately, Trump decided to give Giuliani leadership of the entire legal strategy, making Nov. 12 the day when Trump’s effort to reverse his loss in the courts became an all-out, extralegal campaign to disenfranchise millions of voters based on the false notion of pervasive fraud. Voting-machine conspiracy theories became intertwined with a supercomputer story pushed in conservative media The Dominion conspiracy theory taking root among the president and many of his supporters had been weeks in the making. In late October, an obscure conservative website, The American Report, was pushing stories about a supercomputer called The Hammer that it said was running software called Scorecard to steal votes from Trump. The theory found amplification the day before the election on the podcast of Trump’s former political strategist, Stephen Bannon, who invited two proponents of the theory onto his show to speak about it: Thomas McInerney, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who had previously been banned from Fox News for lies about Sen. John McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, and Sidney Powell, a lawyer who would become one of Trump’s most controversial and unbridled defenders. Trump was enabled by influential Republicans motivated by ambition, fear or a misplaced belief that he would not go too far Trump was given vital room to run by key Republicans, especially the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, who made an early decision to join his fellow party members in breaking from the tradition of recognizing the victor after the major television networks and The Associated Press called the race. McConnell feared alienating a president whose help he needed in two Georgia Senate runoffs that would decide his control of the chamber. He also heeded misplaced assurances from White House aides like Jared Kushner that Trump would eventually accede to reality, people close to the senator told The Times. His later recognition of Biden’s victory would not be enough to stop 14 Republican senators from joining a late effort to nullify millions of Americans’ votes just before Jan. 6. Texas’ lawsuit challenging election results in 4 battleground states was ghostwritten The Texas attorney general’s Supreme Court lawsuit seeking to effectively wipe out 20 million votes in four battleground states won by Biden was secretly drafted by lawyers close to the White House, The Times found. Two-thirds of the country’s Republican state attorneys general, 18 in all, would join an amicus brief, but only after senior officials in several of their offices raised red flags. “It is most likely that the court will deny this in one sentence,” North Dakota’s deputy solicitor general, James E. Nicolai, wrote in an email to his boss. On Dec. 11, the court did just that, ruling that Texas had no right to challenge other states’ votes. Three days later, the Electoral College affirmed Biden’s win. The lie was propelled forward by new and more radical lawyers and financiers At a White House meeting four days later, Trump met with Powell, and two prominent associates: former Overstock.com chief executive Patrick Byrne, who was financing his own team of “cybersleuths” to help prove voter fraud, and Michael Flynn, the disgraced and newly pardoned former national security adviser who had by then publicly raised the notion that Trump should declare martial law. The session descended into a shouting match between the three and members of Trump’s White House team, including his White House counsel, Pat Cipollone. “It was really damned close to fistfights,” Byrne recalled on the “Operation Freedom” YouTube show. Ultimately, Trump agreed to focus on a different goal: blocking congressional certification of the results on Jan. 6. Women for America First, a little known but highly organized group, helped build a coalition With attention focused on the president’s daily tirades and subversive maneuvers, a group of activists — little known but increasingly influential — was going town to town in MAGA-red buses, holding rallies to pressure key senators to contest the vote. The bus tour was organized by a group called Women for America First. The group would help build an acutely Trumpian coalition that included sitting and incoming members of Congress, rank-and-file voters and the “de-platformed” extremists and conspiracy theorists promoted on an early version of its “Trump March” homepage — since deleted but found through the Internet Archive — including white nationalist Jared Taylor, prominent QAnon proponents and Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. Women for America First had various ties to the president and those close to him. Its leader, Amy Kremer, was a leading organizer of the Tea Party era and an early supporter of Trump, having started a Women for Trump super PAC in 2016. And two of the group’s organizers had their own important ties. One, Jennifer Lawrence, knew Trump through her father, who had done business with him; another, Dustin Stockton, had credibility in the gun-rights community as a coordinator with Gun Owners of America. Both had worked with Bannon as well. Among the sponsors of the bus tour were Bannon and Mike Lindell, the founder of MyPillow, who says he has spent $2 million so far investigating voting machines and foreign interference. Lindell, along with Byrne, was part of a shift taking place in the Republican Party as traditional donors withdrew from what became an open attack on the democratic system, and new donors rose to finance the stolen-election narrative. The Jan. 6 rally effectively became a White House production Women for America First was the original organizer of the Jan. 6 rally in Washington. But at the turn of the year, Trump decided to join the rally himself, and the event effectively became a White House production, with several people close to the administration and the Trump campaign joining the team. Former Trump campaign adviser Katrina Pierson was the liaison to the White House, a former administration official said. And the president discussed the speaking lineup, as well as the music to be played, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. Stockton, the bus-tour organizer, said that he had been surprised to learn that the protest would include a march from the Ellipse to the Capitol. That march — the prelude to the riot — had not been the plan before the White House became involved.
Trump knows that he's not going to get convicted. He'll just use this platform for #StopTheStealContinued... Really this whole mess just makes me sick. He should be tried for treason.
It's more and more clear that this was a Roger Stone production based off of his successful Brooks Brothers Riot in 2001 that led to a stopping of the re-count that was legitimized by the Supreme Court and put the person who lost the election in power. The gameplan here was simple. Delay, Delay, and Chaos in order to use House Parliamentary rules to force a vote under the 12th amendment with the House to vote in Donald Trump. The delay's were first to start through the court system during the challenges. They never expected to win any of those cases, but they did likely expect Trump judges to not immediately throw out cases. They also likely thought there would be at least SOME cases of voter "fraud" where someone (preferably a black person, but a brown person would work) had voted twice either by accident or whatever the case, and have that be their Kate Stinely face of voter fraud, and have that case represent their case for delaying the certification. That did not work, but they still had the Ace in the Hole with Roger Stone's ability to start a riot that could lead to the same result. The goal on January 6th was to force the Senate to officially delay the vote to confirm which would have triggered House parliamentary rules to force an up and down vote they obviously think they could get that Nancy Pelosi could not stop. One person who is key here must be Steve Scalise and/or McCarthy although Scalise would likely be the guy in this case who would have a bigger hand in something like this one would think. They obviously had some assurance that the House could get a vote if the Senate confirmation was delayed. I think if this is ever truly investigated and key people like Alex Jones, Ali whatever his name is, Roger Stone, etc. are prosecuted, I think their defense on the harsher crime of TREASON or INSURECTION will be to come clean about this plan and use the Constitution as their best defense.... which is that "look... I was just trying to do what the Constitution says Congress can do to decide an election."... and they would have a point. The problem is the Constitution clearly has a blind spot here for our Democracy that anticipates good faith in election ratification. That's why pursing the crime of "incitement to a riot" or "incitement of violence" is a charge that is much more likely to stick. The framers got ALOT right when they put together our Constitution, but damn... they got ALOT wrong too. The House shouldn't have that kind of power to just vote to overturn an election they don't like, and take away the rights of State to Certify their own electors. We were really really lucky to have kept our Democracy in tact over the past 3 months. Very very lucky.
Word on the street is that dip$hit's crack team of lawyers are working diligently on trademarking the "thumb's up" sign.
Sure I mean it reminds me of that quote from The Dark Knight when the Joker says something along the lines of "I'm like a dog chasing car. I wouldn't know what to do if I got one." I fully understand that Trump probably didn't understand the implications of the mob attack actually succeeding in getting to Pence and Pelosi. Did they even realize that there was actually a pretty good chance that their terrorist mob would actually succeed in murdering the line of succession??.... I don't think so personally, but they certainly were promoting the idea to their terrorist mob to get them to try which served their cause of shutting down & delaying the Senate certification. (which isn't any better IMO). These aren't the most strategic minds in the world. Bannon and Stone have a strategy always that is villainous and serves a purpose, but to everyone else in the room, it's likely that they see them as the tool to get what they want, but they don't really understand what would happen if Bannon and Stone actually were successful. In 2001, Bush was probably lucky that Stone's mob didn't have too much success in violently taking over a state election certification. If one of Stone's nutcase followers killed an election official, it might have completely altered the process that the Supreme Court took based on some other factor. It's likely that the Bush's sent him there to Florida assuming he wouldn't be THAT successful. Same with January 6th. I think the bet from people like Mark Meadows and Steve Scalise was that the Insurrectionists led by Stone, Alex Jones, etc. would be successful in forcing an evacuation, and delaying the vote for a period of time in order to force a House vote. I don't know that the people to the Right and left of Trump who are the real Republicans really knew what would happen if the Dog really caught the Car. And I bet if/when memos, emails, calls, etc. are found in discovery you'll see alot more talk of Delay to get the House vote then you will of actual murder instructions... but who knows.
after the governor kidnap attempt, after goading the "where's pence" and the "I'll shoot Pelosi in the brain'" crowd.. giving them an exclusive tour where they can go to get to them.. one of the organizers was even telling where the reps are they were that close to getting to the senate chambers if not for a smart and heroic act
The whole thing lacked leadership and project planning. Their ground troops were a motley assortment that had three things in common: Idiots, Crazy, Trump Cult.
Riiiiigghhhttt.... He 'led' and 'planned it', obviously. He's not a leader and he damn sure doesn't know how to properly plan anything past the next five minutes.
I posted an article months before about how none of the supposed guards against tyranny actually worked, whether it be checks and balances or the Constitution. It was rather key people at that specific moment (GA SoS, FBI Director, etc...) who chose to do the right thing and the right time that stopped Trump. Now is definitely not the time to think all is clear and go back to our normally scheduled program.
https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell-a8e1e466-2e42-42d0-9cf1-26eb267f8723.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic Interesting article on axios describing the meeting on December 18th, a clash between the real lawyers and the crazy lawyers
Dam, that was a good read, I wonder who in that room leaked this.....Lyons? Those were some cray cray mother%^$#@# no evidence whatsoever just words
