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As Carmelo Anthony leans toward leaving New York, Chicago and Houston emerge as frontrunners

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by t0mdotcom, Jun 14, 2014.

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J.R. said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>To this point, still no firm indication from Melo or his camp telling Bulls, Rockets or Mavs that they're out of the running. However ...</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/486200363293618177">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Seeing how Bulls, Rockets and Mavs are all engaged with other free agents sure suggests they buy premise Melo is down to Knicks and Lakers</p>— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/486200494621458433">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Sloppy reporting....

ALL of the teams interested in Melo have engaged other moves.

#5861 Nook, Jul 7, 2014

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All this waiting is making my bad eye twitch.

#5862 tzou88, Jul 7, 2014
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f you melo. I'm about winning. yea right

#5863 benchmoochie, Jul 7, 2014
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Come on Melo. Make the right move and sign with ROX...

#5864 rocketman72, Jul 7, 2014
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#5865 mr. 13 in 33, Jul 7, 2014
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f you melo. I'm about winning. yea right
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He shouldn't have said that, but I don't understand why people rag on players for chasing the most money. I think it benefits the league for players to take the biggest contract out there, otherwise you end up with just a handful of super teams.

#5866 Harrisment, Jul 7, 2014
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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Wasn't this their pitch to DH? LOL

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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Kobe is like "I WILL NEVER RETIRE!!!!!!"

#5868 Angkor Wat, Jul 7, 2014
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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Melo will be what, 32, or 33 then? oh man

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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Oh goodie, you mean he can have his OWN team once he's 32 yrs old??? What a great pitch!

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Just to try and bide some time until the first domino falls.

Lets me optimistic for a moment...instead of saying no one signs with houston...what if both melo and bosh want to.

If it came down to it, and both Melo and Bosh decided to choose the rockets for the max we can offer. What should the rockets do, and why?

#5871 megastahr, Jul 7, 2014
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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/486203696725127168">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Hilarious. He couldn't even take the Knicks to the playoffs in the East...

#5872 Baqui99, Jul 7, 2014
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megastahr said: ↑

Just to try and bide some time until the first domino falls.

Lets me optimistic for a moment...instead of saying no one signs with houston...what if both melo and bosh want to.

If it came down to it, and both Melo and Bosh decided to choose the rockets for the max we can offer. What should the rockets do, and why?
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Easy, sign Bosh. Melo is a sexier name but Bosh fits this team's needs like a glove. Parson will be retained and we can add that key stretch four that we so covet. Bev/Harden/Parsons/Bosh/Howard best starting lineup in the NBA in my opinion.

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Would we have MLE, BAE if we sign Bosh?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>As we reported yesterday Carmelo Anthony will make his decision today. That decision will be the New York Knicks.</p>— DYST Now (@DYST_Now) <a href="https://twitter.com/DYST_Now/statuses/486167436258185216">July 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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#5875 Chuck 4, Jul 7, 2014
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mr. 13 in 33 said: ↑

If Melo stays in NY will the Knicks have cap space in 2015 to sign superstars?
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I guarantee you that the Knicks top target is Durant.
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I thought KD will be a FA in 2016, not 2015?

#5876 Vin2k2, Jul 7, 2014
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megastahr said: ↑

Just to try and bide some time until the first domino falls.

Lets me optimistic for a moment...instead of saying no one signs with houston...what if both melo and bosh want to.

If it came down to it, and both Melo and Bosh decided to choose the rockets for the max we can offer. What should the rockets do, and why?
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Given that those two guys are the only choices in this scenario, I'd have to say Bosh.

Defense would be the tipping point for me, Bosh plays it, Melo rarely does.
Melo's strong suite is scoring, which honestly we do not lack in, so who is the better defender would be the thing that decided it for me.

That isnt even looking at it from a team building standpoint, the Rockets love Parsons at the three and we dont really have a PF that could be considered one of the top 10 PFs in the league, which I think Bosh is.

#5877 Rockets2K, Jul 7, 2014
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I thought KD will be a FA in 2016, not 2015?
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If you type in: "When will Kevin Durant be a free agent?" into Google, you'll get this at the top:

2016

Kevin Durant is under contract in Oklahoma City through the end of the 2016 season, yet a former player and current analyst made an outlandish and baseless prediction that Durant would leave the Thunder in free agency as soon as he had the chance (and go to Houston).

#5878 RocketFan, Jul 7, 2014

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If you type in: "When will Kevin Durant be a free agent?" into Google, you'll get this at the top:

2016

Kevin Durant is under contract in Oklahoma City through the end of the 2016 season, yet a former player and current analyst made an outlandish and baseless prediction that Durant would leave the Thunder in free agency as soon as he had the chance (and go to Houston).
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damn that presti and damn innocent kd for not going in on a player option. we might have had him next year

#5879 donkeypunch, Jul 7, 2014
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Would we have MLE, BAE if we sign Bosh?
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Here is your answer

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Quick and dirty explanation; if the Rockets acquire a player in a sign and trade, they are hard-capped at $81M for the year.

If the Rockets manage to do everything they can to clear cap room, which includes waiving Robert Covington, keeping Capella overseas, and keeping ONLY Howard/Harden/Beverley/Canaan/Parsons (with the wink-wink deal that they temporarily rescind the qualifying offer for Parsons to reduce his cap hold, making him an unrestricted free agent) they can offer Chris Bosh a $20.55M first year starting salary with max 4.5% raises for a total contract of 4yrs/$87.7M. The absolute max he can get from a non-Miami team is 4/$88.38M, so the difference is negligible.

The Rockets would then be left with the Room Exception (2yrs/$5.4M), Nick Johnson, and 5-7 minimum salaried players. They could keep Covington if Bosh were willing to take a paycut of about $800k total over the lifetime of the contract.

If the Rockets were to sign and trade for Chris Bosh at his maximum $20.7M first year salary, while retaining Parsons on an $11M starting salary, they could keep Motiejunas, Jones, and Covington; assuming they sign Nick Johnson they would then have 3 slots to fill on the active roster with rookie or sophmores only, and have $4.2M below the hard cap, so they could perhaps go get a veteran (ex: Francisco Garcia would cost $500k additional), or resign Troy Daniels. Or they could use the taxpayer mid-level exception ($3.278M), but that would bring them very close to the line, and again, this is with them only keeping 13 active players; there are NO exceptions to the hard cap, so even if someone gets a season ending injury, you cannot go out and sign a player without first clearing room, even if that means waiving and stretching a player.

The real danger with a sign-and-trade is that if Parsons receives a max offer ($14.8M starting salary), you're going to have to do some extremely fast and creative trades to quickly dump Motiejunas and even Jones if you want to have a bench. If Parsons is maxed out, that leaves you only $420,000 below the hard cap, not even enough to sign a player to the minimum! And again, the calculation includes only 13 active players on the roster, and 3 of them will be undrafted minimum salary rookies or sophomores, not inclusive of Nick Johnson. As you can see, the sign-and trade route enables you to keep Motiejunas and Jones, and potentially use the tax-payer mid-level to sign Nick Johnson to a 3-year deal, but using the non-taxpayer mid-level is out of the question, even minimum salaried free-agents are nearly impossible if they're not rookies or sophmores, and I'd be terrified of running out of players half-way through the year. Personally, I don't think that Daryl Morey is even considering a sign-and-trade for these reasons; using cap-space for your free agent signing enables you to pluck veteran free agents, and is much more conducive to RGV call-ups and midseason moves.

One last point is that unless Troy Daniels is willing to come back at the minimum, or the Rockets strike out completely, there is virtually no chance he's back next year. While he's a restricted free agent, the Rockets don't have any bird rights, and if he gets an offer sheet, they must use the mid-level exception to match. If they sign a player with cap room, they don't have an MLE. If they use a sign-and-trade, they'll only have the tax-payer mid-level, and will be so tight up against the hard cap they won't be able to afford to match even something like a 3yr/$9M deal.
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